Monsanto pleads guilty to pesticide-related crimes in Hawaii

1 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 15:03:09ID: ry9dnm
Monsanto pleads guilty to pesticide-related crimes in Hawaii
2 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 15:09:19ID: hrn79qp

12M in fines seems a little inadequate given that they poisoned so many workers

ID: hrnwpxe

Workers aren't people, corporations are!

ID: hrny9p3

Yea! Sometimes people don’t get this. Monsanto puts their pants on just like everyone else. whole thing is probably causing enough mental anguish for Little monsanto

ID: hro37po

Freedom of contract. Hoorah!

ID: hro3qw5

And they've no soul to sell or body to incarcerate.

ID: hrpf4mh

Since corporations are people shouldn’t they be punished as such. You kill some they should lose same as someone going to prison for life. Hit them where it hurts 80 years of profits as the fine.

ID: hrq5pie

I’ll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one

ID: hrnx9fs

That's whats happening in every industry and at every company. They know the fines are much less than what they get out of it. So...they play the hiding game until someone finds out.

See "Diesel Skandal from Volkswagen".

ID: hros2t1

It's just the cost of doing business for these people.

ID: hrpc3jm

Except in the Volkswagen case, they were actually imposed a pretty decent fine amount - 2.8 Billion

ID: hrobmuk

They probably have a budget line item for paying fines and I bet this barely puts dent in it.

Cost of doing business, nothing will change.

ID: hrov7aq

I still wonder if my mothers cancer was from working for this company.

ID: hrq3jxe

I’ll bet you can beat a confession out of a few VPs.

ID: hrpqz11

I think the difference here is that the charges are just for allowing the workers in. Those violations.

If any of the workers get sick, then they can separately sue for harm.

Though it's likely that the "six days after application" rule is just a precaution and going in prior to that isn't actually likely to put one at a meaningful health risk.

ID: hropqvt

How many is it? Maybe I just missed it or maybe the filing doesn’t clarify, but a minimum of $400k for a single exposure doesn’t sound egregiously low to me.

ID: hrp54hk

The exact number isn’t listed because it’s not required for the crime. What we know is that Monsanto violated the law at least 30 times. They employ approximately 1000 on their Hawaii farms.

If an individual was accused of poisoning up to 1000 people, surely they’d have to pay more than .15% of their actual revenue lol

4 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 16:45:43ID: hrnmyiv

Continuing to fine companies tiny fractions of the profits they make only prices crime into the business model.

We need corporate death penalty and I think Monsanto would be a prime candidate.

ID: hro5fm2

Fines have become an expense for businesses, its calculated in with other expenses now like its a cost of doing business… its a joke.

ID: hroqil5

Our governments in the US are weak and pitiful, sad politicians with no backbone.

ID: hro55zm

Monsanto shutdown in 2018. Most of their IP was bought by Bayer.

ID: hro8edr

Well let's have another company take their place at the guillotine. I nominate Enron.

ID: hrobmxj

It's not like Bayer is in the running for the evilest company of all time or something.

ID: hro598y

At the very least they should be banned forever from doing business in whatever state they committed the crime. Eventually they will either fix the issue or have no where to do business.

ID: hro7v6l

In fact, it creates a scenario where corporations have to lie, cheat, and steal to make up for the minor fine they had to pay

ID: hrpgvnj

If only.

5 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 16:39:15ID: hrnlv5r

Pay the fees. Self report the problem 'fixed.' Operate until the next lawsuit. Rinse wash repeat.

6 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 15:30:51ID: hrnalpd

Monsanto was charged with 30 environmental crimes after allowing workers to go into corn fields on Oahu in 2020 after a product named Forfeit 280 was sprayed. Federal law prohibits people from entering areas where the chemical is sprayed within six days of application.

Monsanto was sentenced to three years of probation in addition to the fines and will continue an “environmental compliance program” overseen by a third-party auditor.

ID: hrnigq6

What the hell does a company do when its on probation? Does the company get a P.O? Do they have to bring samples of the stuff they're growing to make sure it tests negative? Also, who is the third party auditor? It better not be Monsanto just rebranded lol

ID: hrnp1mr

When a company is on probation, they usually have to provide detailed and regular reports to an audito

monitor of sorts, to show that they're actively complying with all the terms of their probation. So yeah, they actually do kinda have a PO of sorts.

ID: hrnn39q

I don't know, but I can tell you what they do the moment their probation ends.

ID: hrnuysg

Why the fuck are we allowing them to spray forfeit 280 on Hawaii in the first place?Greed is the driver of the great extinction.

ID: hro62u5

That’s a state law thing to approve or ban specific pesticides

ID: hrno5ya

We better put them on double secret probation

8 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 15:51:56ID: hrne0gn

Shut. Them. Down. Corporate death penalty.

ID: hro4ztz

Monsanto ceased operations in 2018. Bayer took a majority of their IP.

ID: hrojczx

When a company buys or merged with another, they are legally obligated to take on all risk and responsibility of all actions; current or previous.

Besides, Bayer is no better. They helped the Nazis during WWII.

10 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 15:23:04ID: hrn9dx1

Makes me wonder where else this is happening.

ID: hrnbrkl

I mean, with them, where isn't it happening?

11 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 19:00:31ID: hro9lfy

It's important to note that Bayer, not Monsanto (which no longer exists even as a brand) plead guilty. The chemical involved was Forefeit 280, which was never manufactured by Bayer, Monsanto, or Monsanto Chemical (Solutia) -- it's made by Loveland Products. Most of the charges were occupational safety related, but two were for storage of the chemical (which is explicitly prohibited on the island of Maui).

ID: hrpvpgr

It's so hard to find non-emotion driven information in any post about Monsanto for agricultural technology in general.

Thanks for providing valuable information.

ID: hrp5pzz

Also, maybe I am reading the dates wrong but this happened in 2020 and Monsanto closed the deal on Bayer in late 2018.

14 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 18:42:28ID: hro6lym

Bauer must have paid a fair amount to get this headline to not include their name.

ID: hrprsde

I'm sure part of the acquisition included that Monsanto maintain responsibility for pending lawsuits. But yes, Bayer bought the rights to the same products that caused these cancers.

15 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 15:12:35ID: hrn7rrk

I would be reluctant even after a 6 day waiting period. Must be potent chemicals.

ID: hrnjpyq

Yeah, 6 days is when the government says it's safe to go back and we all know that they want it to be back as fast as possible. Shit, if COVID taught us anything the fact that they're telling him to wait six days should be really worrying why are we still using this toxic ass pesticide.

17 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 17:04:50ID: hrnq5nw

Monsanto is truly one of the most unethical companies out there. I remember reading about Vandana Shiva bringing to light the insane suicide rate of Indian farmers because they cannot get their hands on soybeans that weren’t Monsantos.

The Roundup-ready soybean had very specific growing instructions that would fail on a very large scale if temperatures were just slightly off, or if the amount of water used for the crop was slightly off. The farmers were essentially stuck in this ridiculous loop of needing to borrow more seeds to make up for their previous crop’s failure. Once those seeds fail, well the farmers would just rather die than deal with that debt.

ID: hrpo6sf

This is entirely bullshit, just like Vandana Shiva

ID: hrprlsk

I remember reading about Vandana Shiva bringing to light the insane suicide rate of Indian farmers because they cannot get their hands on soybeans that weren’t Monsantos.

I was wondering if anyone was going to bring in pseudoscience crap into this comment section. And here we go with Vandana Shiva, the "quantum philosophy" Ph.D. holder who thinks quantum mechanics isn't real.

Please tell me that you have to know that the Indian farmer suicide claim has been debunked for years, right? By so, so many scientists and investigators.

ID: hro0dr0

Monsanto isn’t a great company (understatement) but Vandana Shiva is also a straight up grifter. Like she’s 100% a lying charlatan so if I were you I wouldn’t believe a word she says about anything. She regularly rakes in millions of dollars with her grifting and she doesn’t actually give a shit about people.

Classic grifter technique is to pretend that you really care about some seemingly realistic issue and then turn around and sell fake solutions to it. People who actually care wouldn’t be selling or advertising their products at the end of their lies.

“Cases of plagiarism have been pointed out against Shiva. Birendra Nayak noted that Shiva copied verbatim from a 1996 article in Voice Gopalpur in her 1998 book Stronger than Steel, and that in 2016, she plagiarised several paragraphs of an article by S Faizi on the Plachimada/Coca-Cola issue published in The Statesman.

Journalist Keith Kloor, in an article published in Discover on 23 October 2014 titled "The Rich Allure of a Peasant Champion", revealed that Shiva charges $40,000 per lecture, plus a business-class air ticket from New Delhi. Kloor wrote: "She is often heralded as a tireless 'defender of the poor,' someone who has courageously taken her stand among the peasant farmers of India. Let it be noted, however, that this champion of the downtrodden doesn't exactly live a peasant's lifestyle."

can be found in her criticism section of Wikipedia. You’ll find her selling her products, books, and lectures while communities starve after taking her advice.

Oh did I mention she also falsified claims of her PhD?

“ I am also a scientist… a Quantum Physicist”, she writes on her Navdanya website. The speakers bureau that represents her identifies her as “a trained physicist.” Hundreds of organizations and prominent journalists, from universities to Bill Moyers to National Geographic (which referred to her as a “nuclear physicist turned agro-ecologist”), have represented her that way.

But those representations are incorrect. According to the University of Western Ontario, where she received her PhD, her doctorate is not in the discipline of physics, as she claims, but in philosophy. It focused on the highly technical and often politicized debate over a central notion in physics known as Bells’ Theorem, which has been called the “most profound” theory in science.

Perhaps foreshadowing her current contentious views about modern agriculture, Shiva concluded that quantum mechanics in physics was philosophically invalid and factually doubtful. The main thesis of quantum mechanics that she challenged has since been confirmed by experimental physics, meaning that her thesis stands at odds with factual reality. Independent of the quality of her philosophical research, it is a substantive leap to go from earning a PhD in the Philosophy of Science to self-identifying as a “scientist,” “nuclear physicist” or “quantum physicist”—the various ways she refers to herself.”

Falsely attributing authority to oneself is also a classic grifter move.

If you believe this woman, you might as well believe that one

that Trump brought in who said alien DNA is used in medical experiments.

ID: hrowadp

Thanks for sharing this. Not standing up for Monsanto’s wrong doings whatsoever but people have definitely made some wild claims and taken advantage of the stigmatization of the company name.

19 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 19:08:58ID: hroayyn

And not a single person will go to jail over this.

Also the fine was $12M, but how much profit did they make off it? If they made more than $12M then this is just a "cost of business", not a punitive fine.

20 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 19:31:05ID: hroel8b

Oh... My God... How crazy that they're doing something evil... Again...

22 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 19:49:11ID: hrohj7k

Instead of suing or fining the corporations themselves, why can't they fine the board or CEO for the decision process

23 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 21:36:32ID: hroyr3f

Bayer acquired Monsanto simply to share the cost of liabilities. If they aren't creating addictive opioids, they are creating carcinogenic herbicides and pesticides. How many generations of people have they poisoned? Can't wait for them to merge with DuPont or Dow Chemical. Proctor and Gamble? Corporate Feudalism at its finest.

25 :Anonymous2022/01/08(Sat) 01:13:05ID: hrpv27l

Maybe someone should plant some weed on these guys so they actually get some jail time for something.

28 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 18:54:52ID: hro8nxw

Surprisingly few monsanto shills here today. They’re checks must not have cleared. Lol/s

ID: hroj01w

It's a seasonal thing. If this was posted in April, the shills would be all over it.

ID: hroalsk

I remember when some of the highest upvoted comments on threads like these were shills. It was baffling how hard some people were defending them.

ID: hrobjo0

Ask yourself who they're shilling now. Shilling certainly won't have gotten less common.

ID: hroazrf

Exactly how i felt. Im sure 99% arent paid. Just the type of people who think elon musk poops rainbows.

ID: hroog5p

Yeah I came here expecting to see dozens

ID: hros1rp
  • sorts by controversial* * pleasantly surprised*
30 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 15:55:46ID: hrnenfe

Now fine them for poisoning many other locations.

ID: hrorcjv

After looking through your post history you're definitely earning your Monsanto paychecks

ID: hrpruc2

How about fine them for strapping backpacks of pesticides and spraying all day every day over irrigation canals which takes the East sides water to the west for their golf courses.

Zero protection, in a vapor cloud of roundup all day. Thanks Maui county, really nice to wake up in a cloud of roundup.

Or the cornfields on Molokai- gee that’s not a delicate ecosystem or anything.

Fuck Monsanto and Fuck Bayer twice.

32 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 21:14:33ID: hrov93x

Unlike many other headlines where Monsanto is mentioned, this was an actual health and safety violation that they actually committed. The punishment is way too minor for what they did, however.

P.S.: Glyphosate is still extremely safe and has nothing to do with this lawsuit.

33 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 19:49:51ID: hrohn4w

Fucking Tony Monsanto at it again...

35 :Anonymous2022/01/08(Sat) 00:56:48ID: hrpsrzq

For anyone who chooses to work at Monsanto. You know perfectly well the evil your company commits. You truly suck.

36 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 19:22:13ID: hrod5ey

Miracles with Molecules!

38 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 22:23:35ID: hrp66c6

They should have increased their campaign contribution budget to legally bribe their way out and void the court. This is how US political system works.

39 :Anonymous2022/01/08(Sat) 01:18:13ID: hrpvs4o

Those responsible should be water boarded with Roundup. They say it is safe enough.

40 :Anonymous2022/01/08(Sat) 02:29:30ID: hrq5lyz

End the illegal occupation of Hawaii

41 :Anonymous2022/01/08(Sat) 02:29:41ID: hrq5mtz

They ruled that 2 felonies happened.. Who is going to jail? If I set up a corporation, can i also commit felonies and not go to jail?

42 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 18:17:28ID: hro2epz

How could this be! Last time I talked to a Monsanto employee (9 years ago) he quite passionately assured me they were just a data company, could he have been wrong?

43 :Anonymous2022/01/07(Fri) 19:15:05ID: hrobz67

Things involving chemicals is what the elft should care about instead of wasting time on nonsense, such as thinking a couple countries not using traditional lightbulbs is going to "save the "planet". You canNOT change the climate and/or weather in a predictable way over an entire planet no matter what. Sane people would be more concerned with cancer from companies using chemicals.