GM recognizes California’s authority to set vehicle emissions rules

1 :Anonymous2022/01/09(Sun) 23:17:13ID: s04ivs
GM recognizes California's authority to set vehicle emissions rules
5 :Anonymous2022/01/09(Sun) 23:46:39ID: hrzivpv

CA is the size of a small country. This makes economic sense for GM.

ID: hrzmlne

California is as large as a medium sized country. If California was a country it would be the 18th largest country, just behind Iran.

ID: hs0drt6

It's also the 5th largest economy in the world, ahead of India but behind Germany.

ID: hrzmtcs

Truth. I knew it was big but didn’t have the energy to look it up. Thanks!

ID: hrzpinl

No it wouldn't unless you mean land area

By population it would be 37th between Iraq and Canada

ID: hrzl4w5

Also if GM’s plan is to actually be out of the ICE game by 2030 then why would they care?

ID: hrzszvf

because that was only a recent plan from them. recall that gm and toyota wanted california to lose its ability to set tougher emission rules and that was making some progress under trump. the reason why they care is because while california gets that special status, a handful of other states have laws that allow them to follow californias rules

so what ends up happening is that californias tougher emission standards create a situation where theres 2 americas, one america that follows californias emission rules and one america that follows the regular epa emission rules. automakers then had a choice, create cars for 2 americas or just keep it simple and make cars for one. thats exactly why most cars on the road today follow californias standards, as it keeps the manufacturing process simpler to just build cars that meets the highest emission standards

ID: hs31zgg

They're gonna still be in the heavy duty game. they're phasing ICE out for light-duty, but the big industrial vehicles are still going to be gas powered for the time being. So they're still going to need to pay attention to ICE requirements.

ID: hrzn37w

Most states operate like countries. That's why when you compare Europe to the US, you compare the entire European Union to the entire United States. European countries are closer to US states than they are to the US as a whole.

ID: hrznyto

True, but for a lot of states the federal guidelines hold them to a certain standard as opposed to California, who has rules and regulations more "strict" than the federal ones. So it is a different situation

ID: hrzqpjw

This isn't really true lol

The US uses a Federal System which isn't exactly uncommon in Europe as Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Bosnia, Belgium, and Russia are also Federations, and other countries like the UK, Spain, and Serbia have devolved power to different regions

But States don't get to create laws that aren't in line with federal law, don't organize the military, don't conduct diplomacy, don't print their own currency (tho the Euro does make this point null in half the EU), don't have customs checkpoints, have open borders (again EU nullifies these), etc..

ID: hs0n9io

The states were basically separate countries. Even under the revolutionary Articles of Confederation, they didn't even have a common currency. It was only once the current constitutional government was ratified that a common currency was created.

Just like the European Union forming and creating a common currency.

Give the EU 200 years for the federalization to progress, and it will have the same dynamic as the current US.

ID: hs20tu4

It's the same reason a not insignificant amount of resources are spent on making "TeXas TOugH EditONs" of trucks. Just a ton of money in California and Texas.

6 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 06:13:34ID: hs12gwr

the leader in EV transition?

7 :Anonymous2022/01/09(Sun) 23:53:03ID: hrzjwp1

GM doesn't really sell passenger cars anymore other than in very small numbers. SUV or pickup trucks are the minimum size. They even exited minivans a while ago?

ID: hrzlatk

Probably, but while GM does sell a large number of pickups and truly large SUV's, most of today's SUV's are simply tall cars.

ID: hs04m2f

Slightly lifted station wagons

ID: hs11c3o

which have different standards than cars

ID: hs0maqc

All SUVs are more truck than car. It's just that trucks have also gotten to be more at the same time, so the SUVs don't look like the new behemoth trucks that are the norm.

ID: hrzvitj

Of the domestics they exited minivans first. Ford followed. Chrysler even ended the Caravan (the original minivan) but still makes one.

The market mostly moved to SUVs. Which is really too bad, minivans are more practical.

ID: hs0fppv

People having a lot less kids and want more storage. That’s my guess.

ID: hs3fatp

Which is really too bad, minivans are more practical.

I contend that, for most users, minivans are more practical than pickup trucks.

For farm work and whatnot, sure, pickup truck all day long. For John Q Public? Get a minivan. Take the seats out or fold them flat if you need to get a sheet of plywood or drywall in there.

8 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 05:32:59ID: hs0xvl8

After bribing politicians for years to oppose it.

9 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 03:38:15ID: hs0hucs

How nice of them. I wasn’t aware that following the law was optional.

ID: hs20ftu

CA was retaliating with a boycott over GM’s support of a legal challenge in federal court, did you read the article?

ID: hs2uusi

I did. They had decided to defy a law that they had been complying with for decades, and now with the lawsuit dying, they’re trying to use their reversal of that decision for good PR. That’s the point.

10 :Anonymous2022/01/09(Sun) 23:49:07ID: hrzja72

I noticed they changed their mind once a Eco friendly president was elected. If Trump was reelected, I bet they would double down on CA not being allowed to set standards

11 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 00:28:42ID: hrzpjo5

late again GM

Ford, Honda, and VW agreed to it first, while you lobbied for Trumps plan.

ID: hs185kx

I really wished Obama didn’t use our tax money to try to save them back in 2008. Now that they are back in business and doing well it’s all FU. Talk about privatizing profits but socializing loss.

12 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 00:02:20ID: hrzle69

It's so nice of a major corporation to respect the authorities' authority in the US instead of the other way around.

13 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 06:36:26ID: hs14tqa

Isn't that the case for any company wanting to do car sales in that state? (Although some produce a certain amount of cars specifically for that state because it's less expensive to spec emissions to the federal standard otherwise.)

15 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 00:56:49ID: hrztzt6

We can rely on California to counter all the right wing anti environmental bullshit.

16 :Anonymous2022/01/09(Sun) 23:21:15ID: hrzetpt

This is what the confederacy fought for, right? States' rights?


ID: hs0mw6y

I know you're joking, but for the record the Confederacy didn't even fight for states' rights. In addition to wanting to continue to own slaves themselves, they also were demanding that the free states be forced to recognize the slave states' laws and send escaped slaves back to them.

In other words, they were straight up saying "fuck your states' rights" to the free states.

ID: hs0t07l

its like that old history joke goes:

the average american thinks the civil war was fought over slavery

the american who read a book or two about the civil war thinks the civil war was fought over states rights

the american historian whos an expert on the topic thinks the civil war was fought over slavery

ID: hs1bn7c

They also had their eyes on the territories that had yet to become states. MO, KS -etc..

ID: hs0lb2c

Sorta kinda, yeah. Inhumane and unforgivable 'rights' to own people, but the right of a state to determine it's own internal affairs within the context of being subservient to a larger union of states.

Personally, I think the issue of state's rights needs to be settled a little more firmly. Either a state's laws needs to be brought in line with Federal laws, or the Federal government steps back into the role of a mediator in conflicts between individual states who have more autonomy than the Federal government.

Frankly, the US needs a major internal overhaul. Nothing about our internal borders, or the relationship between the individual states and national government makes sense.

ID: hs1t4qk

Inhumane and unforgivable 'rights' to own people, but the right of a state to determine it's own internal affairs within the context of being subservient to a larger union of states.

No, the confederacy constitution banned states from banning slavery.

17 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 03:43:45ID: hs0imek

Early 90s had to leave the Wet& Wild water park at noon every time because our lungs hurty.

19 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 01:07:07ID: hrzvja3

That’s really nice of them.

20 :Anonymous2022/01/09(Sun) 23:22:06ID: hrzeyok

How kind of them!

21 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 08:50:15ID: hs1gz2g

Or, in other words: company accepts government’s authority.

22 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 16:12:21ID: hs2tg7c

Look at what cali has to do in order to save their authoritarian regime lol

ID: hs304k7

tRump lost and GM won.

ID: hs30bhx

What makes you think I care about the orange man? He’s just as bad as the rest of them. After all a shitty society makes shitty leaders. Im just anti California.