Gov. Newsom signs executive order outlawing price gouging of COVID-19 at-home test kits in California

1 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 07:22:58ID: s0e6ae
Gov. Newsom signs executive order outlawing price gouging of COVID-19 at-home test kits in California
3 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 13:46:09ID: hs284oq

price gouging isn’t already illegal?

ID: hs2hnxj

Price gouging is illegal, but this executive order sets a cap on the increase in price over normal markup (10%).

ID: hs2od7l

Looks like California's

sets the 10% figure.

Not a lawyer, but seems like the Governor here is just exercising the statutory authority provided by these laws.

ID: hs2hsgm

Without it, our healthcare system, prison industry, and military, would crumble.

ID: hs2ix4t

you left out education system

ID: hs2l0qf

It needs to crumble. Let’s make some pie.

ID: hs2dslz

Why do you hate Freedom(tm)?

ID: hs2hsi0

You seem to be running low on Freedom. I happen to have some spare Freedom right here. If you’re willing to give me the equivalent of economic servitude, I would be happy to sell you some of my finite supply of Freedom. But just remember… every second you wait is another opportunity for someone else to get a better deal than you will.

ID: hs2i63e

while it's sad that there even needs to be a law, price gouging is basically how big pharma operates. legally.

ID: hs2ktp8

Capitalism: "It's fine to be an asshole, unless you're a little guy then you need to stop being such an asshole to others"

ID: hs2m8hy

Tell that to sports stadiums sheesh

ID: hs2p5br

This just in: The average American gets absolutely fucked by the lack of pro consumer laws. This is just one of the many things that so obviously needs to be regulated.

5 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 08:04:03ID: hs1d4su

Sneaker culture is ruining society.

It's not enough to scalp shoes or street wear. it's GPUs, Consoles, even Ford is trying to prevent people from scalping their F150 lightning.

Same pricks are doing this to covid tests.

ID: hs1os2k

we got fuckers setting up fake Covid Testing centers --- taking money and just throwing away the swabs.. or collecting your credit card info to charge up on later

ID: hs228bh

we got fuckers setting up fake Covid Testing centers --- taking money and just throwing away the swabs.. or collecting your credit card info to charge up on later

Those people are going to spend a huge amount of time in Federal prison when the law catches up with them.

ID: hs2hy80

we got fuckers setting up fake Covid Testing centers --- taking money

What the fuck? Why the fuck are people paying for tests? Is testing not provided by the government?

ID: hs1qayg
ID: hs2hrh0

You know what would help with that? A centralized federal website where all legit testing labs were listed and free kits could be ordered.

A centralized website that left off private labs that charge up front.

I still think that the federal government has the power to stop private companies from charging up front for tests but even if they don't they could still set up such a website.

One of the problems I've seen in handing testing to the states is that there is a mish mash of information with no central area with all the information. So you have to check a state website, a county website, sometimes a city website. Then you have to check private sites (some if which require registration before you can even view open appointments)

ID: hs2mwcd

Y'know, I never thought the collapse of the United States would be so intertwined in the decay of capitalism.

Greedy desperate people setting up such crazy scams that are extermely dangerous and detrimental to public health. Imagine what new strains might slip through, what sick people are geting a delay in care because of this. The pandemic isn't just bad in that it forces business to slow, it kills a large number of people required to both run and purchase from those businesses.

With excess deaths, the united states is probably already at 2.5 millions dead from covid and covid related illness. That's a lot of tax payers, consumers, and workers. The virus is only projected to worsen over the coming months, and we're absolutely going to have more variants soon.

We need to lock down, Hard. Like, give everyone $4000 and arrest anyone into quarantine if caught outside type of measures. With that, hopefully they won't have to forgo paying bills for a month or scam people to make it by. This virus shouldn't have been bad enough to cause the damage it has.

ID: hs1enbm

Good God...I didn't realize the GPU market was still so ridiculous.

I finally got my GPU at MSRP after waiting in EVGA's queue for 8 months and then stopped paying attention. I figured things had gotten a little better since then, but looking at Amazon, I could still easily sell my GPU, USED even, for twice what I paid months ago.

ID: hs23qmu

It's cheaper to just buy a whole PC. My 2080 Super cost me 1300 for the full PC.

ID: hs1im0h

I was trying to find a budget card for a friend and even $150, $200 super budget cards are selling for $500+ new. It's absolutely wild.

ID: hs2ampz

I bought an R9 390 years ago. I have not upgraded it because by the time I was thinking about it, prices had gone insane. I could probably rip it out and sell it for not much less than I originally paid for it, even now.

I want pretty graphics on newer games...but not for $600+.

ID: hs2etm0

I bought my 3080 Ti for $150 over MSRP and felt stupid for not waiting for prices to come down to normal (I couldn't wait because I needed my pc in working order for something else). Looking at the prices now, I'm unbelievably glad I was able to get it for only $150 over MSRP.

ID: hs2c8mc

Oh, sweet summer child. You want a horrendously priced secondary market? Look into bourbon. Shelfies in one region of the US are 2-3x MSRP in another. Higher-end stuff regularly goes for 10-20x MSRP.

ID: hs2fjzk

I paid $195 for my RX580 Sapphire in 2019. They're selling used for $600+ right now.

ID: hs2fzs6

They’ll be fucked for at least another year.

ID: hs2meev

Well at least this will stick a fork in the gaming industry constantly releasing stuff that I can't run well. I've had to return a few Steam purchases because of games with poorly optimized video.

ID: hs1nsuo

I was looking at 2021 Ford Mach-Es and used ones with 7k miles on them are more expensive than brand new ones. It’s crazy.

ID: hs2g1zf

That’s the entire auto industry right now

ID: hs2med1

I got you.

  1. Join the Mustang Club of America, or check your workplace to see if they participate in X-Plan
  2. Order your MachE from a dealer that does not do ADM (Additional Dealer Markup). Be sure to get a agreed-upon price from them in writing if you can (even with the $500 online deposit).

With X-Plan and ordering, you can get a new MachE for below MSRP.

The MachE has very small profit margins compared to other cars, and dealers make the most from Ford incentives by selling within a short period (or so I've been told). The ADM on dealer-ordered (non-customer ordered) cars tend to last longer than that. Of course there is the supply/demand equation, not just for MachE but for all cars (to wit, the Highlander Hybrid with the exorbitant markup at the Oakland, CA dealership).

ID: hs213n1

Sneaker culture is ruining society.

This type of behavior far predates sneaker culture. It has existed as long as greed has existed.

ID: hs26ewl

Economists call it "rent-seeking behavior"

ID: hs2jufr

I believe they’re specifically referring to bots and script kiddies snapping up all stock as soon as it becomes available.

The difference here is scale.

ID: hs1d9ma

So... resell culture?

ID: hs25iho

There's a difference between reselling something you've used but don't need anymore and going to the store (or online) buying out the stock of a product, and then selling it for double the price or whatever.

Edit: i know people are replying because I'm getting notifications, but Reddit is dumb and had decided that it will not display those replies on any way other than that initial notification.

ID: hs2kwyw

No, just good ol' unbound profiteering, jumping on supply & demand.

There's a limited supply of GPUs, while there's an increased demand. So 'entrepreneurs' buy them up wherever they can, and resell for a tidy profit.

There's a limited supply of COVID tests, while there's an increased demand. So 'entrepreneurs' buy them up wherever they can, and resell for a tidy profit.

There's a limited supply of Aldi Aisle-of-Shame Doohickeys, while there's an increased demand. So 'entrepreneurs' buy them up wherever they can, and resell for a tidy profit.

There's a limited supply of discounted Walmart items, with a perfectly normal demand, so 'entrepreneurs' buy them up wherever they can, and resell at normal price for a tidy profit aka millions. 'sup Ryan Grant? I know back in 2017 you were viewed as a genius for doing this, I wonder how the 2022 lens is treating ya.

We can put different labels on it.. scalping, price gouging, even scamming.. but none of them are inherently illegal, and all of them are the natural consequence of the system doing what it does.

At best there will be some limited-scope laws like not allowing price gouging during a time of crisis (think fuel costs, or the subject in thus submission), or some definitions of when a scam becomes illegal. But unless society in general decides that enough is enough and it should be made illegal - and accept the negative consequences that come along with the positive - this isn't going to change any time soon; if it were, it would have done so decades ago.

ID: hs1dfpc

The entire pharmaceutical industry....

ID: hs2bg9n

Sorry but this is not sneaker culture this is just capitalism in it's prime.

Many people just do neither care how they earn money nor how it can "negatively" impact other peoples lifes.

ID: hs2nc4d

We’re beyond the point of trying to solve the worlds problems. We’re all just trying to make enough money so that the world’s problems no longer apply to us.

ID: hs2e3yy

Thats capitalism. Take all of the supply and you profit off the demand.

The history of insulin is a prime example. The guys who invented it sold the patent for $1 to a university because they wanted it to benefit all humanity. Now look at it.

ID: hs2h7qo

Insulin isn't really a commodity. There are dozens of versions of it that people take. Some do fine with the generic and some people require the more expensive ones...

Also, the US isn't really a "free market" in this respect. The FDA sets up huge barriers here. If they allowed insulin to be imported from other places, the price would plummet.

ID: hs28nd4

Make it illegal to sell any currently produced product at more than MSRP.

ID: hs2hasx

How would this solve the test shortage? People would hoard them.

ID: hs2curk

Collectible stores would be ded

ID: hs2n58r

What a horrible idea

ID: hs28ytl

That runs into issues with people that modify and upgrade preexisting stuff through. Or for older stuff or versions thats no longer being sold and has appreciated in price since release.

ID: hs29slj

What this really means is that the original makers of these products are not charging enough money.

Ford should raise the price of the F150 until the demand meets the supply and drives out the scalpers... They can use the money to make the factory able to produce more cars to meet supply. The scalpers add no value to society.

ID: hs2bvkx

What this really means is that the original makers of these products are not charging enough money.

This is ultimately the issue. The last time I saw covid tests available I bought four ($25 each) because I didn't know if I'd ever see them for sale again. My whole family was sick and I wanted to have some available. Three of them are sitting on a shelf in my kitchen.

If they were $50 each, or $100 each, I probably wouldn't have stocked up.

When a hurricane is approaching it is very reasonable for the first person into home depot to buy every pack of batteries on the shelf because they don't know if they'll need them, and why risk it (this is a very rational decision for an individual to make). If the batteries were $50 a pack maybe they'd only buy what they know they'd need and there would be batteries for everyone.

For some reason this concept makes people angry and they'd rather see empty shelves than have price rise to meet demand.

ID: hs28duc

What you’ve just described is basic law of supply and demand. If demand is higher than supply then the price level must rise to balance the two.

Is it slimy to do this with covid kits? Absolutely, however I think your fight there is probably with the feds since they have had 2 years now to get enough kits and they still have so few that people are flipping them

ID: hs2fdex

It's not sneaker culture, tickets have been getting botted for a good 10 years, the sneaker market was fine before covid, there were shoes there were hard to get but at least you had a chance

ID: hs2k764

I think tickets are the OG when it comes to getting botted

ID: hs2fixt

At the store where I worked last year a known reseller, which by the way their allowed tax exempt status at Walmart, she bought over 200 of those tests and we couldn’t do a damn thing

ID: hs2kfxz

Man, if it was a small store and I owned it, I would reserve the right to refuse service to anyone not in one of the protected classes. And this one would qualify.

ID: hs2hgi6

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”

ID: hs2k7c5

Opportunistic shitbags have always done this and generally we allow it and just make examples of a few cases, at least as far as I can see.

ID: hs2mwpx

Sneaker culture has nothing to do with this. Price gouging has been a thing forever.

ID: hs2opw0

Sneaker culture is ruining society.

a.k.a. capitalism, arbitrage, supply-v-demand etc.

The *only* thing this is exposing is the economic fact that MSRP was simply set far too low for the actual product demand v. availability.There's always been a middle-man willing to step in to take advantage of a price imbalance since the dawn of mankind.

In the case of covid tests, the absurd MSRP was the result of a deal the federal government brokered with suppliers (a deal which expired in December). I stocked up on a PILE of the rapid tests when they hit $7/test and omicron + holidays were sweeping in. If these tests had been more expensive, I would have purchased much less. When testing lines were 8+ hours long, $7/test was absurdly undervalued compared to the actual tangible value of a test, much less any adjustment for supply, etc.

.... and before anyone steps in with the genius idea that we should fix pricing on limited items to establish more "equitable" distribution, recall that history has repeatedly shown us that's how you end up with bread lines. Capitalism definitely isn't perfect, but personal profit motivates humans to actually get shit done like nothing else we have ever tried as a species.

ID: hs2osgq

This is just the free market and capitalism, right?

ID: hs264j2

Scalping for products is good thing. It tells the market to produce more of that product. If you price fix it then Noone will bring in more supply since it's not worth it.

Supply market dynamics is what brings price down.

Scalping for concert tickets is bad because you can't scale as well. It's service oriented.

ID: hs28zzt

This just seems absurd and doesn’t seem to account for finite materials, manufacturing capacity, or the time it takes to increase manufacturing capacity. Taking just GPUs it is impossible for manufacturers to meet demand even without scalping so scalping is just driving up the price of a finite resource while adding no value to the market.

ID: hs2hkrm

Scalping for products is good thing. It tells the market to produce more of that product. If you price fix it then Noone will bring in more supply since it's not worth it.

Supply market dynamics is what brings price down.

Well that's a nice idea. Has absolutely nothing to do with reality as evidenced by all the cases where this isn't happening, but hey, at least it's quick to explain.

ID: hs2e28m

I'm guilty of scalping concert tickets. I am ashamed. But the money is too good

ID: hs2kjng

We ain’t Jesus. Confessing your sins won’t help.

6 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 07:33:50ID: hs1aehm

Cool, now let’s do it for insulin and other medications.

ID: hs1band

And medical procedures.

ID: hs1d5au

*cracks whip

Who taught you how to think of such crazy things?

ID: hs28phi

Can we talk about the scams some dentists are doing. Stating that a patient needs a cavities filled (when in fact they don't) knowing that most people will not go for a second opinion. Then they push for the white porcelain filling and charge extra.

ID: hs1d130

while i'm all for this-

the issue this EO is addressing is scalpers.

ID: hs1d8ek

Is Ticketmaster involved?

ID: hs1uov1

we did put one on insulin in Virginia, but we also just elected a new republican governor, im hoping he doesnt remove the cap for the sake of owning the dems.

ID: hs28p7y

Trump capped insulin prices through an EO and Biden rescinded it.

ID: hs278kr

The KY legislature price capped insulin and it was almost unanimous, I think just one or two voted against it. Republicans have a supermajority.

ID: hs2emj5

They would if any of this was actually about public health lol

ID: hs21pfg

Lol, we're talking about California politicians, right? They don't want to actually solve anything, just get some headlines.

8 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:46:45ID: hs2gdqn

Scalping should be outlawed in general. I know it's petty compared to COVID issues, but scalpers are discovering that any item in high demand can be hoarded and resold on Amazon or Ebay for obscene profits. Have fun trying to get your hands on a PS5 and the console has been out for well over a year now.

I have no problem with people profiting off collectible, rare items like a first edition or signed copy of a book, but hoarding PS5's and selling them for double or triple their retail value is harmful to consumers and could even have some impact on the economy if you extrapolate that behavior out far enough. What if deep pockets basically hoarded anything desirable from toilet paper to facemasks to popular video games? All of that extra profit is money that isn't being spent in the local economy and would only benefit people who had enough capital to hoard the item in the first place.

ID: hs2lzrx

It’s never been a worse time to buy wristwatches. … Or basically anything else, for that matter

ID: hs2ng5p

Scalpers wouldn’t exist if people stopped buying from them. Hoarding a game console is not the same as hoarding food. If someone is dumb enough to pay $1500 for a PS5, I say let them. But blame the customer for being dumb, not the scalper.

10 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 08:17:20ID: hs1e9go

What total piece of shit was gouging for home test kits?

ID: hs1eom6

There's a ton on Craigslist, OfferUp, Facebook marketplace, etc

Go report this one...

Edit: post was flagged for removal. They were selling Binaxnow at home tests for $65/each. Retail is around $20.

ID: hs1etgn

Of all the things to markup for private resale.

100% fucked up no matter your feelings on CV. I swear we are living in clown world!

ID: hs1zyxe

Tests are 3 euros in Europe and readily available at my local grocery store. There was a point they were being sold for 0.80 a pop.

What the fuck.

ID: hs2fuqo

The only place I can find them is at a nearby gas station, a single-test kit is $30. Is that reportable?

ID: hs1qpzv

The cashiers at the CVS/Walgreens were telling my mom they were sold out in store but they had a bunch they could sell for $100 per test and they were the singles.

ID: hs2dofq

The invisible hand of the free market.

ID: hs2gurb

The same piece of shit gouging for hand sanitizer and toilet paper. It’s been 2 years of the worst price gouging and scalping I’ve ever seen in my life.

ID: hs29xju

Loads of people... My friends brother is selling them. They sell them at the regular price but the shipping and handling is super expensive.

11 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:35:12ID: hs2eouk

Can he outlaw GPU price gouging too please?

12 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:44:05ID: hs2fzg9

And here’s me in the uk with over 40 tests in my house cause my kids school keep giving them to me. Then I give them out to others. Even though you can just order 7 from gov and pick up the next day.

14 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:27:06ID: hs2dk78

weren't there laws about price gauging back in spring of 2020? Hos are COVID tests not part of that same law?

ID: hs2ihcm

The problem is that the laws are all but unenforceable the overwhelming majority of the time.The only ones that run a risk of getting impacted are the ones who are running large-scale operations.

Your average joe who's just running into the pharmacy, grabbing whatever they can, then marking the handful that they got up on Craigslist stands little chance of getting caught, and even less chance of getting prosecuted.

Someone has to report it. If they can even be bothered, then someone has to investigate. Then they decide if it's even worth the time and resources to prosecute.The state simply doesn't have anywhere close to the resources they'd need to go after even a small percentage of the scammers out there. The best they can do is target the ones running large-scale operations.

15 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:39:29ID: hs2fb2t

Cool. Do insulin next.

16 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:07:33ID: hs2jfn0

Cool, now do gasoline

17 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 08:21:39ID: hs1emt5

What’s the fair price? A single pack of two cost me about $25 - seemed reasonable.

ID: hs1hgr4

Now says it's 'flagged for removal'. How much were they trying to sell them for?

ID: hs1hxxf

I manage a covid testing centre in the UK - i am writing this from work.

We give anyone who wants lateral flow tests 2 boxes each with 7 tests per box. All free of charge.

ID: hs1kg68

I was just gonna chime in, American living in the UK and the testing here is so much better than American and way cheaper.

ID: hs21iat

Yep. UK isn't perfect, but it's definitely handled the testing availability aspect of this whole thing much better.

ID: hs1yi2v

That doesn't answer the question.

ID: hs2ic5t

American here. I got a home test kit, turns out it had to be Bluetooth linked to my phone for me to see the result, and I had to download their app. Test kits are way more expensive than they need to be in the US, because it was left to the free market, and they designed expensive and wasteful test kits that require a battery and computer chip for just a single test.

ID: hs2b2ct

PCR or antigen test? One is much more accurate than the other.

ID: hs28gwq

They should be free. The state of testing in the US is unacceptable.

ID: hs2aytk

They will be free, but it's gonna be a month or two until then, and it'll be limited. Biden announced it recently. They'll be antigen tests.

ID: hs2fpn5

A reasonable price is $0. I have like ten sitting at home because I got them for free from the NHS.

American health care is fucked.

ID: hs2dr8e

A fair price is at cost. Covid testing kits should not have a profit for retailers. Test kits were $10 for the last year

ID: hs25czo

Where I live, at home test kits can be found for $3 a piece.

ID: hs2c96y

They made a deal with Uncle Sam to sell the rapid tests for $14 but I’ve also never seen them less than $24.

ID: hs2ha5w

The deal for 14 ran out in December, a few stores like,Wal-Mart kept it till January but its gone.

ID: hs2cda8

That seems expensive. I paid EUR 22 for a pack of five on Amazon (Germany).

ID: hs2e0rc

That is expensive as well, at DM it is 1.75€ per test

ID: hs2g4br

They should be about $10-12 per test. So a two pack for $25 is not gouging. That's the normal price.

ID: hs2h7mc

Well it saves the country money having people not be off work needlessly, so imo free is the only answer. If it had to have a cost, they should be less than than $1 so as no to price out poor people from testing

ID: hs2koaa

For shitty unreliable rapid tests? You’re outta your mind

ID: hs2meve

In Denmark you can get 1 for 4.5$. Kids can get them for free.

ID: hs2nfz0

Weird. Pack of 7 lateral flow tests are free. And if you need a PCR test they are also free but at sites. In my town there is one literally next door in a mobile site. There is one in the mall, one at the town hall and i think one still at the university. When i had my booster jab it was about 15 mins from my door, to the jab and back.

The UK has fucked a lot (looking at you Boris) but the NHS you can't complain about.

ID: hs26od7

$15 is the fair price in the US. Anything higher is marked up.

18 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 12:11:31ID: hs1xnka

I spent ~$250 last week for 8 test kits and 150 masks.

ID: hs25jz3

Why do you need 8 test kits

ID: hs2hbgn

My family’s daycare requires negative test results after an illness before returning. Any runny nose, fever during teething, anything. We need to have a few tests on hand. Used to be PCR only, but they have relaxed guidelines due to challenges with getting PCR test results in a reasonable time. I’m running low on tests so, if I could get my hands on 8 tests, I’d buy them.

ID: hs281g7

My job requires me to work on-site often, I self test weekly. Also, family 🙂

ID: hs279oo

Him and his family?

ID: hs2igvl

It’s really hard to find them. I had to string what I found together via trips to Walgreens and other stores.

I wish the best to you! Hopefully test availability increases soon.

19 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:31:18ID: hs2e578

They should be 100% free.

20 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:15:32ID: hs2byrg

Lol what? They’re free in the UK whenever you need…

ID: hs2h1uu

The US has an ABYSMAL healthcare system that is beyond broken. We desperately need universal healthcare.

ID: hs2ljc9

I don’t understand how you can argue against it, it baffles me!

21 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:25:42ID: hs2dd95

Oh good here in nyc there’s a pharmacy selling the Binax double kit for $50, which is just over double the price at a CVS. The problem is they’re sold out a lot of the time, so the gouging works if you’re desperate

23 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:56:51ID: hs2hvih

someone ELI5 why Newsome can't do this for insulin too?

24 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:01:09ID: hs2ii6f

Now make one for the fuel prices, Gav!

25 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:10:02ID: hs2jsqz

What if price gouging was just illegal period and not specific to any particular product (like maybe gasoline)

ID: hs2nxvf

We should just have a committee of people at the government set prices for everything. There are no potential downsides to this brilliant idea, which I'm sure has never been tried.

ID: hs2o36w

Not what I was suggesting

26 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 08:35:10ID: hs1frqn

Canadian here. Your country lost me at fake/scam Covid testing sites.

ID: hs1gesg

American here. Don’t care.

ID: hs29o5m

Quite frankly people who don't care to listen to criticism from both their own countrymen and outsiders are not worth anyone's consideration at all.

ID: hs1k8b5

Chinese here. You cared enough to reply.

ID: hs2dvfl

Why are you saying the same thing twice?

ID: hs2e5fx

Says you, your country produced trailer park boys….you guys don’t fool me anymore!

27 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:37:05ID: hs2eyhc

lets see him do something about the crime in cali

ID: hs2m7wr

Found the Republican

28 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 13:12:36ID: hs243od

They need to pass laws to prevent all big pharma price gouging.

29 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 12:38:12ID: hs20aot

For me it’s always interesting how other countries manage these tests. In Austria even the PCR lab tests are free now.

ID: hs28kvc

All PCR and rapid tests are free in the US, but at home tests aren't.

ID: hs28xmr

Ok thanks for the clarification, just one last question can you make the PCR test at home and then bring it to a collection or has it to be done at a test center.

ID: hs2c1qy

Not true at all. They are only free if you have insurance. It will cost you $180 for a rapid antigen test depending on where you go.

30 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 13:17:30ID: hs24nu3

Conservatives: "but the free market will make sure those kits get where they're needed most in the most efficient way possible"

ID: hs2p15b

This but unironically.

Price gouging is only possible when a product's "official" price is way below its supply&demand-based market value.

Such as when there is a shortage, but official prices aren't raised to reflect it. That causes enormous market pressure to correct the mismatch, and price gougers answer the call.

People love to pretend that price gouging cause shortages, when in fact it's just a symptom of an upstream shortage.

As to whether this market pressure to raise the price to match the short supply is good or bad? Well, it's usually neutral; sometimes good.

Think about it: If the state steps in to prevent price gouging, then the underpriced scarce products are quickly gobbled up by hoarders and careless byuers. Who cares if you really need it, it's cheap, so just buy it before someone else does! Aaaand it's gone, sucks for everyone else.

With price gouging, the product is way more likely to end up being bought by someone who really needs it. Like, in this case, someone who absolutely needs a COVID test each week in order to not loose their job, as opposed to some malingerer who loves to get tested 10 times a day just for the heck of it.

31 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:00:29ID: hs29ywg

Blame anti-vaxx'ers. First, they're selfish assholes that deserve to be verbal punching bags. All the at home kits are running out because they constantly have to take them when they go to work or places with people.

ID: hs2g9wc

No dude, try to resist the urge to point the finger at your neighbor. Greedy corps and corrupt politicians are directly responsible for this mess, these are our enemies.

ID: hs2mtth

Its almost like both of these things can be true

ID: hs2h5l3

No doubt about that, they are mostly responsible for encouraging the anti-vaxxers BUT anti-vaxxers have a greedy mind of their own and they are just as culpable.

32 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 13:11:05ID: hs23xgl

Too bad our national leadership didn't prioritize testing in any meaningful way.

33 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:15:25ID: hs2by89

How long before republicans label this as "price controls"


34 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 13:46:06ID: hs284gf

But that's socialism, people should be allowed to profit from other's sickness, death and misery!


ID: hs2e1xz

My fucking god that delayed /s really fucked w me.

35 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 08:22:51ID: hs1eqj9

cant you just steal them for free in california?

36 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:53:30ID: hs2hdta

Or you could… just make them free? Y’know, like most of Europe has? And then nobody can be scammed, because there’s no money involved. Come to think of it, maybe that’s how all medical stuff should work!

38 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:45:37ID: hs2g7lg

Why does he hate the free market?

39 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:22:53ID: hs2lq4n

They're free in the UK. This is insane

ID: hs2ofgn

They're free here, too. There's just also paid options.

40 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:30:27ID: hs2e0zw

I listened to a Rationally Speaking podcast that suggested price gouging was sometimes beneficial, as increased prices would lead to increased supply to keep up with demand.

Any opinions in here regarding that idea?

ID: hs2f1r2

It's utter nonsense justifying greed.

41 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:17:22ID: hs2c7p8

The federal government couldn’t manage its way out of a wet paper bag. There’s nothing that a private company can’t do more efficiently than government.

ID: hs2fkf1

Ah this old nonsense argument. It's the private companies doing the price gouging.

ID: hs2fuot

Have you priced Obamacare? Shit coverage for 2x the premium. Oh wait - you don’t work so I’m subsidizing yours.

42 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 12:01:21ID: hs1wnow

Yet, the price gouging of insulin, epi-pens, cancer drugs, and nearly every other pharmaceutical continues...
Great job Newsom, and Democratic Party!

ID: hs26dgw

and what are republicans doing?

ID: hs28nvl

republicans never pretended to be the good guys...
lesser evil indeed

44 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:31:11ID: hs2e4jm

You can get them (test kits) for free at the local libraries here in Cincinnati. I assumed all of these were being given out for free. Who is charging for them?

ID: hs2mn1u

Giant Eagle, Kroger, Meijer, CVS, Walgreens, etc

45 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:36:14ID: hs2eu21

Smh. Look at these radical democrats. Corporations should have the right to rip you off.

46 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:38:28ID: hs2f5md

Just make price gouging illegal. You could keep the prisons full with scammers.

48 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:42:15ID: hs2fpu2

It’s just like when gas is at a shortage or when people panic for water they raise the price like it’s Christmas season

49 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:45:35ID: hs2g7cu

You guys have to buy them?

ID: hs2nhne

Nothing is free in California.

50 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:46:34ID: hs2gcq3

Oh hey look a shortage

53 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:59:31ID: hs2i9if

Wait. You pay for those too?? Ffs

55 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:10:02ID: hs2jsqn

You guys have to pay for your covid tests?

56 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:12:17ID: hs2k4mo

Who’s going to enforce this and monitor to keep it from happening?

The intent is sound but in practice it’s hard to follow though with.

57 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:12:18ID: hs2k4rr

So much for the free market, dang anti-liberty commies! /s

58 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:14:55ID: hs2kiwg

Can’t find them where I live and local testing is 3 days out. Pathetic.

59 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:15:09ID: hs2kk5f

It's insane that even Wario64 announce drop for this test kit last week. $14 ymmv

60 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:16:10ID: hs2kpm4

Can we get this federally???

61 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:21:07ID: hs2lgds

Ooooh ok but we can't do the same for insulin.

62 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:21:13ID: hs2lgzh

Do you want shortages? Bc this is how you get shortages.

64 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:24:02ID: hs2lwff

I saw someone on our local neighborhood forum selling one kit for $50.

65 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:28:21ID: hs2mjz9

Final Girls was one of these teachers.

66 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:32:31ID: hs2n6p8

Seems toothless:

who have not previously sold test kits

So... people who have already gouged are exempt can raise their prices by 10%?

68 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:21:45ID: hs2cti9

Now do it for graphics cards

69 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:34:17ID: hs2ek95

Too little too late. Dumb libs might as well just take the same approach as states they despise like Florida.

ID: hs2fkmv

Why is it too late?

ID: hs2giya

Need the tests before massive spread

70 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 13:15:44ID: hs24gja
ID: hs26cha

Yep! So easy to treat that it's killed 5.5 million people.

ID: hs26jlq

On a 0-10 scale, 10 being the best.

I rank your attempt at trolling a 0.5

The .5 is because the last sentence is correct.

72 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 13:41:58ID: hs27lz6

Now if they could just make a law against the price gouging at other test sites.. here in WA it’s $129+ for a rapid antigen test. In Ireland, it was €35.

74 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:31:25ID: hs2n0ns

Jesus, the fact you can't find them and that when you do you are being scalped is depressing!! In the UK every time I go to the supermarket I get people stuffing them in my hand for free.