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MILWAUKEE — The man who bought Kyle Rittenhouse an assault-style rifle when he was only 17 has agreed to plead no contest to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a non-criminal citation, and avoid convictions on the two felonies he’d been facing.

1 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 14:56:33ID: s0lvgc
MILWAUKEE -- The man who bought Kyle Rittenhouse an assault-style rifle when he was only 17 has agreed to plead no contest to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a non-criminal citation, and avoid convictions on the two felonies he'd been facing.
2 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:02:07ID: hs2in43

More like the DA didn't want another shit show and probable loss on his record so he gave him an out and Dominic Black took him up on the offer to just make this go away.

ID: hs2kv50

explains it well, but my best summary is the prosecution might not have had a case, but anytime you can get a $2,000 fine with no felony record without risking court and tens to hundreds of thousands in legal fees you take the deal.

ID: hs2l56c

2k fine is cheaper than fighting it, and you don't run the risk of a rogue jury

ID: hs2te1y

This. DA just wants to be done with thing and hopes everyone will forget about it.

4 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:39:03ID: hs2o6c5

Everyone wants more gun control laws and we don't even enforce/prosecute the ones we have.

ID: hs2sx6s

That’s a pretty liberal use of the word everyone…

ID: hs2rke1

I think only half the country wants more gun control.

ID: hs2t8t2

Gallup actually keeps a really close eye on this. American support for stricter gun control has ranged from 44 to 78 percent since the early 90s. Source:

ID: hs2t95g

Those numbers are actually untrue, and also, like so many other things (anti-vax) are primarily a partisan issue. Only 1/3 of Americans own a gun. While there is tons of scaremongering to the gun crowd, having a gun in house is multitudes more likely to injure an inhabitant of the house than stop an actual crime or home invasion.

ID: hs2xazn

I just want them to enforce the 'well regulated' part of the 2nd amendment.

ID: hs2sax3

There is a kernel of truth to that. But in a lot of cases, the laws are very difficult to prosecute. Rittenhouse beat his gun charge. That couple in Michigan who basically gave their whacky, mass shooting kid a gun, probably have a chance of walking.

ID: hs2wl99

They didn't even provide evidence for the gun charge, which shows that the DA thought it was a losing battle as well.

ID: hs2yayd

I mean, we also have sheriffs literally running campaigns on not enforcing gun laws and winning. Half of America likes that we don't enforce/prosecute a lot of gun laws.

5 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:11:33ID: hs2k0qe

“Contributing to the delinquency of a minor”

ID: hs2l6fz

It would appear that Dominick Black is pleading guilty to encouraging Kyle Rittenhouse to violate the curfew in effect that night. Other articles don't give any more info, so I'm not sure about that, but it seems to be the only thing that fits the Wisconsin statute.

*edit: the->that

6 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:08:03ID: hs2jiar

They gonna prosecute rossenbaum Grosskreutz at some point?

He admitted to a felony on the stand so it should be easy.

ID: hs2k2y4

rosenbaum is dead. you meant grosskreutz

ID: hs2kxrx

I mean, did you watch the mess of an ADA? He might bring charges on the dead guy by accident.

ID: hs2o9ca

Snap, my bad. Thanks for the catch

ID: hs2kiw8

They gonna prosecute rossenbaum at some point?

Rossenbaum is dead.

He admitted to a felony on the stand so it should be easy.

Grosskreutz, the one who admitted to crimes got some pretty good deals for his testimony (Previous charges that he had were dropped) and USA has something against self incrimination while in court (5th amendment or something like that).

ID: hs2krs5

The 5th only applies if you claim it on the stand, not if you freely talk about your crimes

ID: hs2ldgs

This, this right here is why America's gun obsession is fucked up.

A kid gets a gun he is not legally allowed to buy, purchased on his behalf by someone who will, in all likelihood, avoid a serious conviction, takes it to "defend" a site he has not personal interest in, kills two people, severely wounds another, and there are calls for one of the wounded to be prosecuted for a felony for not having his story entirely straight and pointing his own gun at the kid. A kid!

I mean, no matter which way you cut it, every single part of that is fucked up.

ID: hs2wloh

From what I know the issue with Grosskreutz potentially catching a felony isn't due to pointing a gun at Rittenhouse, it's him having at the protest.

He's admitted that his carry permit was expired, and that he carried his pistol to Kenosha and other protests despite it being expired. That's illegal.

ID: hs2lu3o

You forgot the part where a large part of this country see it as a dog whislte that its OK to shoot fellow americans if they are politically left.

ID: hs2u5sm

I feel like Grosskeutz is in the same situation as Rittenhouse, both were dumb to bring guns to a protest but had reasonable fears when they used their guns. Both have a solid self-defense case.

ID: hs2uqhs

Grosskreutz admitted the permit for his concealed weapon was expired.

Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is super illegal. There is no self defense for that

7 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:25:06ID: hs2m27p

It's a long gun. Is there a minimum age restriction? I've owned a rifle since I was 12. It looks like there's no restriction after age 14 in Wisconsin for any long arm used for hunting or target practice. And before that comes up, the .223 / 5.56 round was developed as a hunting round, specifically for small to medium animals. You aren't even allowed to hunt deer with it because it's too likely to only wound and not kill quickly. So why were there any charges along those lines in the first place?

Edit: after more looking, it appears to be an Illinois restriction that kept Rittenhouse from buying the gun himself. Apparently you have to get an ID card to purchase any firearm in Illinois and it's difficult to get as a minor. This is not the case in Wisconsin or most other states, which place few restrictions on long arms.

ID: hs2n8mz

Straw purchases are illegal, although that would be a federal thing.

ID: hs2qw5q

The DA wasn't pursuing Straw Purchase charges because Rittenhouse never took ownership of the rifle, the charge was "Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor".

ID: hs2ni3a

It must be that the person buying the gun has to be the owner of the gun, unless there was a transfer document of some sort that wasn't done.

ID: hs2rhqm

You are aware what a straw purchase is right?

Are you aware that for anyone under the age of 18 to be using a firearm (in any case) is a) under adult supervision (which there obviously wasn't that night) and b) are to be used for hunting ONLY.

Unless you count what he did as "hunting"... then there was no reason for him to have the gun.

Even less so considering the purchase was made illegally.

ID: hs2wttb

Are you aware that for anyone under the age of 18 to be using a firearm (in any case) is a) under adult supervision (which there obviously wasn't that night) and b) are to be used for hunting ONLY.

I have never heard that brought up before. You have any links to the appropriate laws in Wisconsin? I'd be open to learning more.

ID: hs2xbt6

It's funny, the DA and Judge in that case were far less certain about what the law says. The legal experts whose comments I have read all lean away from what you claim. How do you explain that?

ID: hs2vk80

Why was the purchase illegal? As far as I know Dominic bought the gun in Wisconsin, it was kept in Wisconsin, and Rittenhouse was using it in Wisconsin under Dominic's supervision. It didn't cross to Chicago, Rittenhouse didn't take it home, it wasn't his gun.

You could argue Dominic bought it for Rittenhouse but it was still treated and stored as his property. It could be assumed that once Kyle was of age the gun would get legally transferred to him per Illinois law.

ID: hs2y10x

Here’s a

of how the law in WI actually works on this topic.

ID: hs2weqs

There was a (possibly unintentional) loophole in the law. The law used to say minors could possess long arms for hunting, but that requirement was removed at some point. Whether it was, as some claim, because the NRA wanted to get guns in the hands of minors or because the change allowed a minor to carry a rifle for protection against wild animals (or maybe both), it's there. It needs to be clarified so that no one else can use it like Rittenhouse did.

ID: hs2y6mw

.223 / 5.56 round was developed as a hunting round

That cartridge was originally developed as a military round.

It was developed in 1957 by Remington Arms and Fairchild Industries for the U.S. Continental Army Command of the United States Army as part of a project to create a small-caliber, high-velocity firearm.

Don't get me wrong, the .223 is an excellent varmint round. But if the military hadn't had .223 Winchester created we'd probably all be using .22 Hornet without any problems.

8 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:11:07ID: hs2jyev

What is an “assault style” rifle?

ID: hs2k99t

A dumb way of saying “Big scary black rifle”.

ID: hs2p6q1

A dumb way of saying "military grade weapons"

ID: hs2k833

You know exactly what that means and are being intentionally obtuse for inflammatory purposes.

ID: hs2oxmo

No, they are being critical of a half assed political term.

ID: hs2kru6

Words matter (unless you are looking to push a narrative or agenda with inflammatory loaded language I suppose)

ID: hs2kceg

Taken from the article, one Kyle Rittenhouse used to shoot people with.

ID: hs2kvcm

So a semi automatic rifle? Not an expert on the case but I don’t recall his rifle having select fire capability. I could be wrong though

9 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:03:25ID: hs2itwv

Did Rittenhouse get attacked because he was carrying a gun? Or did carrying a gun just allow him to fight back?

ID: hs2kyen

He got attacked for putting out Rosenbaum's fire trash/can.

ID: hs2pwxz

That's what I remember from the video also.

ID: hs2jnix
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ID: hs2l2il

No we aren't supposed to bring that up because he was obviously joking. Not like he did exactly what he said weeks later, nope all a joke. Who among us hasn't joked about killing people then inserted ourselves into a situation where we could?

ID: hs2qark

People have forgotten all about that....

In my day, people bought alcohol for underage people. Not guns.

ID: hs2jtki

People thought he was an active shooter, which he actually became when those guys tried to stop him

ID: hs2np7l

Maybe Jump Kick Man and Huber could have said they were trying to stop a killer from fleeing the scene, but not trying to stop an active shooter. Obviously Huber is dead and Jump Kick Man decided not to come forward. Grosskreutz claimed he thought he was an active shooter, but he jogged with him a few feet and interviewed him before drawing his weapon....odd choice if you think someone is an active shooter just looking for victims. Also Rittenhouse said he was going to the cops, GG said he thought he said "i'm working with the cops". Just can't see how he legitimately thought Rittenhouse was an active shooter, and it came across during his testimony.

ID: hs2ottc

No, he wasn't active shooting so they had no reason to assume. He was walking away and saying he was going to the police and as fbtcu states Grosskreutz was interviewing him before pulling his firearm.

ID: hs2mksa

He got attacked the second time because he had just killed a man.

Edit: To the downvoters, I never said Rittenhouse committed any crimes. But the above statement is still 100% fact.

ID: hs2scte

The guy that said shoot me N-word and charged at him got what he asked for? Could care less about that bum.

ID: hs2k4g4

probably both

ID: hs2umz1

I think the gun made him stick out as not part of the protest which led to him getting hassled by the first person who was shot. From there, the two others who got shot thought they were dealing with an active shooter.

ID: hs2jf1f

The latter

ID: hs2jvrs

Exactly. The unique thing about this case is that it's all on video.

ID: hs2vepq

Regardless, the only people who died were people he shot.

ID: hs2yapb

You can also say the only people who died were people who attacked him first.

10 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:51:14ID: hs2q2p3

I don't understand how a person can execute an unquestionably illegal straw purchase of a gun that was given to a minor, and used to kill two other people, and walk away with a misdemeanor slap on the wrist.

ID: hs2wua7

Black never transferred ownership of the rifle to Rittenhouse, so it wasn't really a straw purchase. He was holding the gun in trust until Rittenhouse could legally become the owner.

If it was such an unquestionably illegal action, then this plea deal would never have been offered. Realistically the prosecutor knows it's probably a losing case, and Black knows that he'll be out thousands more in legal fees if he refuses it and goes to court.

ID: hs2u399

He's a conservative, no doubt. Many laws do not apply to them.

ID: hs2s4kw

Maybe he’s agreeing to testify against Kyle in a federal straw purchase case.

Many assumptions follow: if it was a straw purchase, and if the feds have enough to prosecute, and if they even want to try, and finally if they were able to prosecute KR for a straw purchase:

Does this mean he wasn’t actually legally armed? The murder trial is over and Double Jeopardy means it can’t be revisited. I would love, at the least, putting the notion that he was legally armed to bed.

ID: hs2sk7b

I believe he did give preliminary testimony, but then the judge threw out the Rittenhouse charge related to the acquisition of the gun, and so he was never called for the trial.

11 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:00:28ID: hs2iekr

Naturally everyone involved who majorly misused a gun and led to deaths gets to just keep using guns. Taking away their gun rights would honestly make more sense than any jail time

ID: hs2jc1e

The only one who misused a gun was career criminal Grosskreutz who pointed his pistol at Kyle

ID: hs2kj0v

He should lose his gun rights too. This guy still sold to a minor who shouldn't be there and that should be punished. Being an adult has consequences.

You absolutely never give a gun to a 17 year old trying to do what he was doing. Too many immature people who are supposed to be fully grown adults being let off the hook.

Everyone here knows he fucked up seriously.

ID: hs2l48p

If I gave a gun to my kid and sent him out to patrol the streets and he shot someone, I’d absolutely go to jail.Even without the straw purchase.

ID: hs2nzs1

career criminal Grosskreutz

How is he a career criminal?

who pointed his pistol

If he's going to be charged, he won't be charged for that. If they did, Grosskreutz would likely be found not guilty.

12 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:24:00ID: hs2lw9y

Straw man gonna straw!Isn't this a federal crime? See ATF Form 4473 (I used to own a gun store business)

ID: hs2v0pu

Then you should know that a straw purchase requires intent. You can buy a rifle for yourself, with every intent of keeping it, then for any number of reasons decide you no longer want it, and decide to sell it.

You could purchase a rifle, dry fire it once, decide you don't like the feel of the trigger pull, and immediately sell it to some guy in the parking lot of the gun store, and that is 100% legal (federally).

ID: hs2p3ns

Yes it is and both he and the recipient should be charged

ID: hs2vmgn

But then conservative fefes would be hurt and we've all seen what happens when they feel threatened.

ID: hs2tyex

Yes. The purchase of that firearm would be considered a felony in most circumstances. I'm sure this plea deal wasn't political, because you know..... our judicial system is never political.

13 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:41:09ID: hs2oi2q

You mean the felonies he committed, strawman purchase

15 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 15:12:42ID: hs2k6vf
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ID: hs2lgc0

You... Just contradicted yourself

ID: hs2mlag

I think he was being sarcastic

16 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 16:20:20ID: hs2ursw

If he contributed to the delinquency of a minor, does that mean that the minor WAS delinquent?

ID: hs2yn4t

The delinquency was staying out after curfew...

17 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 16:40:55ID: hs2y5oh

Everybody gets away with murder. What a joke!

19 :Anonymous2022/01/10(Mon) 16:27:49ID: hs2vzu8

The dude is an accessory to murder

ID: hs2yhi9

Self-defense is not murder. There was a very big and public trial for the case, if you didn’t notice.

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