- Oklahoma death row inmates seek firing squad as alternative
I'd much rather face the firing squad than the alternatives.ID: hs9r210
I like the firing squad idea because it removes the perception of a degree of separation from what you're actually doing. It's not some kind of sterile, humane medical procedure. No, you are killing someone.ID: hs9voep
It is a good idea to give half the firing squad blanks though
Plausible deniabilityID: hsa2669
Lethal injection is not, in most cases, humane and it definitely does not constitute a medical procedure.ID: hs9zogw
Who is the "you" in
what you're actually doing
The people carrying out the execution because it is their job? The judge who handed down the sentence? The jury who convicted them? The politicians that put the death penalty law in place? The lawyers that wrote those laws?ID: hsauhwb
Roflcopters. Humane medical procedure. There’s nothing humane about lethal injection. There are no medical professionals who participate in lethal injections because of their oath to do no harm. There isn’t a drug that humanely kills a person so states created a cocktail that requires drugs that aren’t legally available in the United States. States actually engage in illegal drug smuggling to obtain some of the medications and then wing it from there. Because there’s no medication that humanely kills a human and no peer reviewed studies or dosing guidelines they have absolutely fucked up some inmates subjected to lethal injection have been in immense pain, tho thanks to the paralyzing drug they are unable to move or communicate that to the officials who are trying to kill them.
It’s inhumane torture. I don’t think that capital punishment should ever be an option anywhere. I realize that some crimes are so horrific that some feel that it is justified but allowing the state to execute citizens is not a slope I want to slip on.
With regards to a firing squad, I don’t want to imagine the emotional damage that could inflict upon those given the task especially if it comes out that the person was innocent and wrongly convicted.ID: hsa1vng
And get volunteers from the police. Maybe it'll keep the eager ones from looking for any excuse to do it out on the streets.ID: hsaek95
Or we could just not.ID: hs9yyv5
They can still automate this execution method as well.ID: hsaafzk
Other than the single blank. Six guns, one has a blank, other five have bullets. Everybody thinks they might have had the blank.
I'd take five rifle rounds to the chest over the chair or injection. It's virtually instant death for the former, slow and painful for the latter.ID: hsatkg7
There a rule to say the squad can't be robotic?ID: hs8wtfx
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Or how aboutID: hs95xjv
That actually looks kind of cool.ID: hs9thig
Very glad this guy USED to work at an amusement parkID: hsa0o48
No sarcasm, that’s super humane.ID: hsahqm3
Don’t be a bigger person, you’ll have to go thru twice, just in case of ‘accidental survival’.ID: hsatfuc
I think the assisted suicide option will be much less painful and traumatic.
Just put them in an air tight capsule fill it with nitrogen and they will fall asleep and die.
No pain. Just death.
Nitrogen is cheap.ID: hs93txy
I've never understood why we don't just use insulin for lethal injections. So much cheaper and you just go to sleep.ID: hs9ez63
No insulin provider would ever provide insulin for that. Imagine being the company that manufactures insulin used in lethal injections. Their lawyers and marketing department would absolutely explode.ID: hsbnr3g
Diabetic here. This would be so far into cruel and unusual, it's not even funny. Hypoglycemia - especially to the point of death - is not a gentle process, and it's not fast, either.
First is the hunger. And I don't mean "man, I could do with a bite," but the most ravenous and all-consuming hunger you've ever experienced. You want to eat anything. You want to eat everything. It doesn't matter what it is; you'll devour it. It's not quite zombie levels of horrifying, but it's pretty damn close. Moldy bread? You'll shovel it in without a thought. Uncooked potatoes? Sounds GREAT. The entire bag of sugar? Yes, please!
Next up you have weakness. Your vision begins to blur. You stop being able to speak correctly, although you can generally still think just fine. You break out into a sweat. Your heart pounds a mile a minute as you get hit with a massive adrenaline rush. Nausea hits when your liver, desperate to arrest the rapidly plummeting blood glucose, dumps all its reserves into your bloodstream.
Your vision starts to fail completely, with gray-white blank spots slowly expanding to fill your vision. You can't stand any more, but you can't hold still, either, as you're still driven by adrenaline and the all-consuming need to eat something. You're also sweating like a stuck pig during all of this, so you're freezing cold as well.
Then the mental effects really start to hit. Coherent thoughts become difficult, then impossible to hold. They become slippery, almost, shifting around and repeating over and over with increasing intensity as your brain starts misfiring, and you can't control it. You stop writing or reading long term memory, and your only existence becomes the seconds of torture you're enduring. Eventually, you have a seizure, lose consciousness, or both, all the while thrashing around until you asphyxiate or your heart fails.
As somebody who's been through all the steps up until the last part, no. Just... no.ID: hs841z6
And their organs remain intact and can be donated.ID: hs8b88i
I have a problem with a state-run organ harvesting program that has a perverse incentive to exploit the death penalty to provide organs.ID: hs88awu
Only if they consent. It would be wrong for the government to not only kill someone but then harvest their body.ID: hsa5wfb
Y'a know, I'm not sure how I'd feel if I found out an organ being put into me came from some serial killer rapist.ID: hs944ig
We should just abolish the death penalty instead...ID: hs9mppr
Nah. Plenty of defective humans for whom death is the best solution.ID: hs9g5w3
I used to want to abolish the death penalty. But do you really want to waste tax money on keeping absolute evil people like Ted Bundy alive and behind bars?ID: hs94b8n
Seriously. Why isn't this the actual method of death sentencing?ID: hs9aukm
Non-cynical answer, just as processing camps for illegal immigrants were proclaimed to be concentration camps during trump, there is no way this won't be decried as the US having literal gas chambers and sends a disproportionate number of minorities to it.ID: hs9agju
It's untested:ID: hsbj8zl
As most government decisions, I'm sure there is a financial reason behind it.ID: hs8rj0w
Then Conservatives would get mad that we're letting death row criminals get high one last time on their tax dollars. They'd throw a hissy fit about it, claiming we're killing them too nicely.ID: hs9i5ta
That's too good fer 'em! - You know what kind of person.
I've always hated lethal injection. It's the facade of "humane" treatment but really it's just so the audience and executioner can pretend they aren't doing what they're doing.
If you're going to do something as barbaric as an execution, don't try to kid anyone into thinking it's anything but a barbaric action.ID: hs7hwl0
Exactly, if we're going to kill someone for their crimes the least we can do is have the decency to do it face to face.ID: hs86hwb
The problem with this approach is the health of the executioners. Guards already struggle with hitting a button blind, so how do you think they'll handle shooting someone face to face?
The death penalty should be abolished.ID: hs7rw36
If I had to choose, I'd pick a few kilos of plastic explosives. Quick as fuck and the executioners need to be cleaning it up with a shovel. Make them face what they've doneID: hs7tzln
“Strap me to a rocket boys, let me fly into the great beyond”ID: hs7l332
I'd rather have what the Japanese had during the edo period. A Tachi(sword longer than a katana commonly wore by samurai) and a bucket.ID: hs8rb67
The neckbeard execution.ID: hsb4xux
Why is this being downvoted? A swift decapitation is a very humane way to kill someone. The human brain will lose consciousness within seconds from the lack of oxygen and receive the comfort of death not long after.
In fact for much of human history, it was objectively THE most benevolent form of execution. I'd rather have my head lopped off than be drawn-and-quartered or stoned in a pit or burned at the stake.ID: hsattdi
Is putting an animal to sleep barbaric?ID: hsbmxbi
No, because they use actual medication for it.
The issues are that death penalty advocates wont accept medications suitable for the process because they "might induce euphoria" as the prisoner dies, while the manufacturers wont sell because doing so will get them completely blacklisted in a whole lot of places (like the entire EU).ID: hs8m4r4
If we would have the death penalty I will propose that the victims get the opportunity to kill the perpetrator but they only get to use their bare hands. If they can’t do it they just go to jail for life
I have never understood why authorities don't just apply a general anesthetic the way we do for any major surgery, then there is no further emotional or physical pain to the victimID: hs7jfwg
That's how some of the drug cocktails work, but the problem is when they're improperly administered or when the drugs themselves are low quality or expired. Improper administration happens relatively often since doctors avoid participating for ethical reasons (they could lose their licenses), and expired or otherwise ineffectual drugs are common since most of the companies and facilities that produce medications don't want to be involved in the execution business.ID: hs7mruc
John Oliver does a great episode on this exact thing. Medical providers have a promise to do no harm. They aren’t interested in assisting. I don’t blame them, but it does mean all the modern comforts of medication and anesthesia are not available. Some of these prisons get their drugs from sketchy places because many major drug companies won’t sell it to them. The entire thing is an absolute horror show.ID: hs7nki2
John Oliver on Lethal Injections (May 2019)ID: hs8drrs
Get a bottle of morphine from a hospital. A whole bottle. Inject it in one go. Even the most hardened addict is going to instantly die from that, and they certainly won't feel any pain.
Trying to fancy it up with 3 different exotic drugs to do different things is drastically over-complicating what should be a simple lethal drug overdose, and leaving more opportunities for error.ID: hs7w439
The traditional protocols use some very rare drugs. Pancuronium and similar aren't things you can pick up at your local pharmacy. Often a single manufacturer in the world.
If they used a single step massive barbiturate OD like with animals, or inert gas asphyxiation, those are so common they couldn't be effectively restricted.
But that would actually be humane and painless. The game is to find the cruelest, most botch-prone procedure that can trick people into believing is humane.ID: hs80gmy
Because the vast majority of the drugs we use for general anaesthetic (and thus are tried and tested) are not allowed to be used for executions. Companies either personally do not want to be involved in it, or if they are European companies/companies that have a European presence they are legally not allowed to -.
That means that states that want to carry out the death penalty need to use drug cocktails with less testing behind them, and as there is often a limited supply of these, so then you get states that further experiment with lower/altered doses.ID: hs82b9d
Couple reasons. Medical professionals refuse to participate in general because it causes harm.
And also, many countries and even the individual companies specifically prohibit their drugs from being used for executions.
I'd vote for the gas chamber using nitrogen or non medical grade helium (aka shit they can't use for important stuff like MRI machines). You don't even know you're suffocating because you pass out before you start to.ID: hs9319s
If being humane was the point, we just wouldn't have a death penalty.
Why can't we just employ things like this?ID: hs88f5w
How about life in prison, no parole? Pretty awful punishment, comparatively cheap (eliminates death penalty appeals), and effectively removes people from society. Spending all this money on revenge seems pointless.ID: hs8vh9o
In my opinion, life in prison with no chance of parole is worse than the death penalty.ID: hs8ft16
My personal take on this is that the death penalty should be taken off the table. I'm fine with life sentences, and after they've served at least 10 years, they can opt out with something like that pod if they so choose.ID: hs9a5hp
Spending all this money on revenge seems pointless.
This is a valid point that's counter intuitive. But yes, the data shows that death penalty cases are most expensive to the State than non-death penalty cases.ID: hsa89v6
What about prisoners that kill other prisoners and staff?
Maybe we should not be using a medical procedure done by non medical personnel to kill people. We should not even really be doing the death penalty at all but we sure as shit should not be surprised that lethal injections get botched by people with little experience doing injections.
I don’t agree with the death penalty but you could also just use any sort of inert gas to induce hypoxia and death. There’s no reason other than retribution to use these other methods.ID: hs7r9qh
There has been talk of this (nitrogen). Air is already ~78% nitrogen anyway.ID: hs7t94w
The 21% Oxygen is kind of the important bit.ID: hs7vn1r
The biggest reason is that gas was infamously used as an execution method in the 1930s/40s by a particular group committing genocide that people today get uneasy about doing anything that begs comparison to their methods. That’s really why gas executions have not made much headway in public discourse. Many people, especially public officials, don’t want their name anywhere near the phrase “gas execution” or “gassed” due to the historical associations with those phrasesID: hs8klm5
Killing someone with a toxic gas like cyanide is nothing like dying from inert gas asphyxiation. The former is extremely painful and the latter is completely painless (you pass out without even knowing what’s happening because the urge to breathe is caused by high Co2 not low O2)ID: hsb90iv
That same certain group runs the states executing the most people. I dont see why they would be opposed to gasID: hs7tv1p
There are concerns about the procedure for administering inert gas since no one has ever actually carried one out.
The biggest concerns are 1) detecting a leak of a deadly, colorless, odorless gas so it doesn’t kill everyone in the room; 2) how to administer the gas to the condemned to be most effective. The best way to administer is an airtight “hood” that pumps air until it’s switched to pump an inert gas, but they haven’t figured out how and when is best to put that hood on and check the seal.ID: hs7wuaw
1) relates to poison gas, like used in the old gas chambers. Inert gasses are harmless to bystanders if they leak. You have to pump it through a mask completely replacing room air to kill someone. The quantities involved in execution of a single person, even if rapidly released entirely into the room, wouldn't hurt someone standing right next to the tank.
2) is trivial compared to placing an IV line, so no excuse.ID: hs87jhx
detecting a leak of a deadly, colorless, odorless gas so it doesn’t kill everyone in the room;
So flavor the gas and install sensors. Solved.
how to administer the gas to the condemned to be most effective.
To the persons lungs, the same way we do in every medical procedure.
These issues are already solved in the medical industry. Not much difference between knocking someone out and killing them, just dosage.ID: hs907s5
Put a mask over their face?
Dose them up on morphine first?
These aren’t difficult problems.ID: hs9489t
Inert gases and deadly so you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
OU fans really taking the Lincoln Riley departure hard.
Why not just give them the option of becoming gladiators?
How about wrap me in det cord head to toe and go boom.Don't know I could feel anything if I'm in a million pieces
I’d rather have a firing squad than that lethal injection shit, that’s for sure.
If the people of a state overwhelmingly actively want the death penalty, then the death row conditions need to be as humane as possible while protecting residents/staff/public, with all of the appellate safeguards virtually thinkable, and the most painless methods that we can possibly find need to be used.
I would pick the firing squad over every method MAYBE except nitrogen hypoxia. Lethal Injection is among the most painful modern methods UNLESS it’s a ONE DRUG LONG TERM ACTING ANESTHETIC WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL DRUGS.
Seriously if you’re going to execute someone let them pick within reason.
BUT aim at BOTH the head/brainstem AND the heart simultaneously if possible (or go 2 headshots first, then heart shots, then a final brainstem shot to prevent drawn out pain).
We need to stop trying to whitewash executions as if the outcome for shooting someone in the head and killing them with lethal injection is different.
If we're going to continue to execute people, just execute them in the fastest and most efficient way possible instead of trying to "humanize" the fact we are putting someone to death. Either just kill them or get rid of the death penalty. This weird compromise that actually results in more suffering than a bullet to the head is a worse outcome than either two other optionsID: hsbov7s
I've been looking up the history of neuroscience and the concept of death, and I'm still coming up with an answer of "multiple centuries" when it comes to knowing that the rapid destruction of the brain is also a rapid death in all senses of the word.
So yeah, I'm struggling to think of a reason that isn't either "we want the prisoner to suffer" or "we want to make it easy for all involved to compartmentalise the fact a person is being killed"
Whenever I think of firing squad I think of the people holding the guns being instructed to basically state warranted murder someone. I sure as shit couldn't do it. What's the suicide rate for executioners?ID: hs93yw3
If I recall correctly, the more recent firing squads in history (I can't remember what country though) would load blanks into all but one man's rifle, so no one knew who fired the killing round - so none of the executioners would know who fired the killing shot, and therefor would absolve them of guilt.ID: hs98i1o
I'm pretty sure its the other way around. All of them have live rounds except for one executioner. So they never know for sure if they shot a real round.
Personally, I'd prefer firing squad if I had to go.ID: hsakotg
Same hereID: hsakzwb
Lethal injection is a no no for me, electric chair-cmon do I have to explain why? The suicide capsule and firing squad seem like the only good and clean alternative.
Firing squad would be the only way to go I don’t blame them.
On first look, America's pursuit of state sanctioned killing without "cruel and unusual punishment" seems noble. We want to kill people but don't want them to suffer pain. But when you really think about it, isn't that just bullshit? Hold on, don't downvote in a fit of patriotic hubris quite yet. Killing someone is perhaps the most cruel and painful thing you can do to them. So how can you say lethal injection, or any other method of death meet the Constitutional bar? The State simply shouldn't be in the business of death.
Now, you may downvote as hard as your patriotism calls for.
The "cruel and unusual punishment" amendment is a bit like the "all men are created equal" which has obvious caveat of "...white men only. Not blacks, indigenous people and certainly not women."ID: hsa6txr
Dan Carlin talks about this on his "Painfotainment" podcast. It's one of the free ones, so you can give it a listen.
In summary, the constitution was written by people who were alive at a time when people in Europe were still being publicly tortured before their execution. The torture was the punishment, the execution was a byproduct. The example cited in the show is, who was scalded with boiling oil and castrated before being ripped apart by horses, at which point his dismembered remains were burned at the stake. So when the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, it's meant to prohibit stuff like that, not the execution itself.
Edit: I don't think the Wikipedia link is showing up, so here it is again.
Even firing squad is shitty, getting hit with a dozen bullets all over your body from a distance to skew accuracy. Tie them down, gas them to sleep before if they want it, gun to temple.ID: hs8f8hz
Just let them amuse themselves in the DEA evidence lockup for a few hours. They’ll probably do the job for you.
All executions should be required to use helium or nitrogen asphyxiation or they shouldn’t happen at all.ID: hs94luf
Considering helium is valuable and finite we might as will stick with nitrogenID: hs9h3mg
But what about delivering your last words in a squeaky voice
I would tell everyone on the firing squad that I was coming back to haunt them
It's cheaper potentially less painful and you know the cops love it.ID: hs9sowd
If they let police do this, I wonder (a) would they line up to do it and (b) would there be less questionable police shootings.ID: hs9t2m2
I can help answer. A) they always form a line for a firing squad.B) makes a precision heart shot at the execution. But proceeded to accidentally shoot someone in the back while running away.
So A) Yes B) No
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The latter. Fuck all that "a decapitated head can be conscious for several seconds" noise.ID: hs8f3ll
I’m sure “will it blend?” and the heavy press guy could help out.
Cheaper, save taxpayers some money.ID: hs7u2uq
Even cheaper would be to ban capital punishmentID: hs8030e
They don't actually want cheap. They want the cheapest way for revenge and retribution.ID: hs91jqf
Yeah, much cheaper to feed, clothe, house, service, and guard them than put a bullet in their head. /sID: hs8beko
Pretty sure Oklahoma will never do that unless federal law bans the death penalty.
If a state can put citizens to death the inmate should get to choose the method. Personally I would make it as gruesome as possible. Beheadings or whatever and then throw it on TikTok or Youtube.
At least they’ll go out with a bang.
May his wish be granted and very soon for all their terrible crimes!.
What the hell is wrong republicans?
Criminals want to be executed by their beloved tools.
Ok. Sounds much easier.
I mean, a clean shot to the heart is a fast death. Less risk of anything going wrong with lethal injection, especially considering no one really knows how it is with it in the end.
Long as they go, I dont mind if they pick how. Within reason obviously.
Bring back the guillotine too
Rather that than riding the lightning.
Maybe they can bring in some cops to do it so they can scratch that itch. Might save some lives down the road
electrocution can result in green mile shit. people can survive, weird
lethal injection apparently feels like fireflames on the inside
being hanged is big scary
… yeah I’ll take firing squad too. Humane, clean, and simple — guaranteed to kill
Elect me as president and I will make a law that will see all death row inmates "attempt" to battle 3 tigers if they win. They are free.
I'd pick firing squad as my method for being executed because I'm anxious when it comes to needles, my neck breaking would feel weird and electric chair would also feel weird. It's more "natural" to me.
If I was ever in that situation, I’d like the guillotine. Quick and to the point
How about we don’t kill prisoners at all? Thanks.
He's ready to go.. there's no confusion on what his aim is, here.He seems fired up!
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When ppl are unconscious they can't feel anything, much like when undergoing surgery under anaesthesia.ID: hs7j3lo
Unconscious… or paralyzed? I would think if one is unconscious they don’t feel anything, as is the case with surgery.
And as much as the nitrogen hypoxia is a more compassionate way to go, the reality is that these are executions for crimes. As long as the death penalty exists, people will not want to see condemned criminals go out with a smile.
For the record, I am against the death penalty.
I can't imagine they would. I had to drive 3 counties over and wayyyyy over paid for 1000 rounds a few weeks ago. No way the state can afford ammo rn with how people charge the govt.
I mean, that's what I'd want. Lethal injection is insanely expensive and fails half the time so yeah
Call me sick but I don’t care about cases that are 100% certain. One of these guys shot two women, then started to stab them to death as they begged for their lives…
These women didn’t get to pick how they went…why should he?
I mean, I’d you’re going to have capital punishment, why not? There are very few ways of killing individual humans than a bullet through the brain, and America has no shortage of people capable of making the kill shot.
Am I the only one here who doesn’t give a damn about the death penalty? If someone killed someone, I don’t care what happens to them. I’d prefer their death isn’t too expensive or painful for tax reasons and to absolve some guilt in the case of incorrect verdicts. Other than that, I will literally never consider the death penalty when voting.