- Nearly a million fewer students are now enrolled in U.S. colleges and universities than in Fall 2019
Colleges: We'll charge the same for online as for in person. It's a win win?
Prospective students: How about nah?ID: hsgsqt0
My college charges A LOT more for online than in person. It is super weird.ID: hsh36xs
Not to mention fuck you if you live outside the US and want to go to college here, apparently. Have fun sometimes paying more than twice US students do, especially if they know your family has money. Happens in private schools as well, know a couple people from Korea/Taiwan who went to private HS here and it was the same deal.
Edit: Not sure what the downvotes are for. I thought that out-of-state/out-of-country tuitions being sometimes double or triple what in-state or US students pay was pretty common knowledge. I can understand some increased costs for insurance and such, but 2-3x is simply too much IMO.ID: hshav4s
Online classes require a lot more labor and time to prepare. Close to 4 to 5 times more prep time than in person. Once built out its comparable, but the initial lift to build out compelling online class content is huge.ID: hsh4z7y
The reasons for continuing to raise tuition prices, at least in the US are very clear.
American universities have begun to build a huge number of buildings and purchased large amounts of land. When the ground was struck, they built models of what enrollment was needed to pay for those new land holdings. The existence of COVID doesn't change their need to pay off loans. That new stadium, gym, the student union, new dorms, and new fancy science building aren't free.
How we got into this mess is another problem entirely. I'm not defending the reasoning, but there it is.ID: hsh8rd3
Plus bloated administrator salaries. I get that being the president of a large university is a big job, butof the college of medicine.
The POTUS (of any party) only gets a salary of $400k, and think of what he has to manage by comparison. An entire economy, diplomacy, trade deals, infrastructure, war, and a ton of other stuff.ID: hsh26z1
My University (which is the equivalent of College in my country), along side other universities, have raised the price for years even before covid exist.
Nowadays, they still raise the price each semester for seemingly no reason. And still don't open for class.
But hey, glad they force students to pay for a stupid 'business simulator' that even teachers openly admit its a waste of time, and a waste of students money.ID: hsgr9e9
Wait! Why don't you think a multimillion dollar library ever couple of years won't suit you!?ID: hsgt3vv
That can be replaced with.ID: hsgup0s
the funny story is that, if you look at the university of californias enrollment numbers, we have actually seen a year over year over year jump in freshmen enrollment. in 2019, the uc system admitted 108k freshmen. in 2020, it was 118k, and in 2021, it was 132k. so it looks like if the schools are good/prestigious enough, students will still want to go. but otherwise, more students are saying "nah we good"ID: hsh1dic
You mention enrollment numbers, but then quote data on number of students admitted. Two different metrics.ID: hsh3gnh
Makes sense. Honestly a shitty degree is worth MUCH less than the same time invested in some certifications, taking classes and/or just grabbing some experience, whatever that may be. At least, depending on the job/industry. I know in the IT industry some companies will disregard you if you just have a degree. Seen many people graduate without a very firm understanding of their field, much less than you'd come to expect from a degree. Like, I'm talking an IT networking graduate being comfortable with wireshark, or not even having experience outside a very limited, windows environment.ID: hsh7acs
they actually increased tuition in my stateID: hsh8igv
Online proctoring services are also a privacy nightmare. Fuck those companies.
Colleges are selling you your future anymore. They are selling you lifelong crushing debt and a chance a future maybeID: hsh6p35
That's the one thing I realized in 2001 when I graduated. Why the fuck so I want to start off my professional life full of debt? I went right into the work force and never looked back. Might not be for everyone, but it can work and does work for a bunch of people.ID: hsh8tnf
It's truly embarrassing for the elites as they really intended to have replaced us all with robots by now.ID: hsh95tr
Hey I just admitted you, and this is crazy.
Here's your school loan, you'll get hired maybe.
To the surprise of no one: a global pandemic + increasingly unaffordable college + college increasingly becoming a playground for the rich and powerful = lower enrollment. The wealthy can enjoy paying $100,000 tuition as decreasing enrollment and investment leads to higher costs for those who remain.ID: hsh61zw
Local College Dean : Due to inflation we are expecting $35k this semester instead of your normal $20k .. of course we expect you to pay for the customized textbooks and do all the work yourself at home and we will check in with you time to time and expect your cashier's check after each test over Zoom
.. Oh you need a job after graduation .. what? .. what kind of students are you!?
No shit. After almost two years of virtual school my A student bound for a 4-year college kid nearly dropped out and will just barely limp across the stage to get his diploma after pulling several strings and transferring to a school in another state. The damage this pandemic has done to young minds is immeasurable. He's a different kid now, depressed, unmotivated, apathetic. He gave up on every single one of his dreams in the last two years and it took a village to get him back on track.ID: hsha0u5
As a society we're going to need to think about how to reintegrate the young. For most of us, we had "normal" childhoods, but we now have several years straight of students lacking all the ancillary learning one gets in school - especially socialization. Recess is important. Goofing off during lunch is important. Explaining yourself when you get sent to the principal's office (an authority figure who isn't a parent) is important. Learning how to deal with misbehaving peers is important. School teaches you how to communicate with people who aren't in your family.
This is going to be a major problem.ID: hshbvwd
Same, except mine went into the pandemic with an IEP for his severe depression and anxiety. At this point, I seriously doubt he will graduate. It’s just been so awful for all the kids, and especially the ones who were already in bad shape.ID: hshdwb3
I'm sorry. I understand completely. My oldest was so excited to start her freshman year in Fall of 2019. She loved the campus, the classes, the freedom. And then when the quarantine started and she was back home taking online classes in her bedroom, well that's where it all went south. She barely passed freshman year and decided not to sign up for the Fall of 2020. These poor kids
I'm calling it now. Gen Z is going to be the Second Lost Generation.ID: hsgpncf
The better question is, will the middle class correctly blame those with wealth and power, or will they triple down on trying to blame the working class and poor? I think we already know the answer.ID: hsgq0o7
The middle class is the working classID: hsgqxte
middle class doesn't work?ID: hsh04up
Exactly, it is the middle and upper class that still decide the political direction America will go in, and that direction is increasingly authoritarian and fascist.ID: hsh5uyy
Is this a rhetorical question?ID: hshd1x9
What middle class?
How about no one can afford anything. Or do anything anymore.
Wonder if people are starting to realize that you don’t need a college degree to be successful in life.
Neat, this is a different kind of brain drain. I'm sure this will definitely end well for a nation that is already becoming increasingly stupider.
Probably TMI but I’m literally dropping out this week. Haven’t got hired at a single job yet and even with the ease of going online, I still find it extremely difficult to balance when you don’t know where your next paycheck is coming from. On top of ADHD, depression, anxiety, covid cases , etc. It’s just too much right nowID: hshc4uw
You’ll regret that decision later.ID: hshdbjy
More than staying in a situation that's not working, though? Sometimes you can make it work, but sometimes you can't.
To OP, I hope you turn things around, one way or another.ID: hshctlm
Learn a trade. I dropped out of college at 20 and did manual labor while trying to get into my trade of choice. Now I’m a journeyman and have my choice of jobs in my field. I made close to, if not over, 200k last year with no college degree.ID: hshdiof
Are you in college OP. Inbox me and maybe I can find some resources for you.ID: hshdxi4
I don't know what year you're in, but if you do drop out I highly recommend going to a community college, graduating, and then transferring your credits to a 4-year university.
I was able to transfer to a 4-year school as a junior and graduated relatively debt-free. In high school my grades were mediocre so going to a CC meant figuring out how to study and what techniques worked for me.
Serious question, if they’re not going to college what are they doing instead? What kind of jobs?ID: hsgpwpk
The same jobs they could get after graduating, nothing.ID: hsgpaay
Who said anything about jobs?ID: hsgvpzy
trades, manufacturing, service jobs, gig work, and i guess onlyfansID: hsgsy25
If you're willing to do manual labor or learn to operate machinery then you can make a pretty good living in a lot of places without any education, most companies offer room for advancement and actually perfer training people in house, rather than hiring already qualified people. Alot of people over estimate the level of skills needed to enter these fields because places tend to be short staffed and willing to train.
This is the area I've seen it work out the most for people.ID: hsgv8kx
Hopefully learning a trade! Working with your hands can make you serious cash, if you're smart and ambitious.ID: hshcarc
My husband makes more at his trade than I made with my expensive masters degree. Kids, learn a trade that is in demand! It costs 10k as opposed to 100k, with a better salary.ID: hsgz81o
I'm great at working with my hands, but a nearly middle aged guy with a dad bod probably won't get much masturbating on OnlyFans.ID: hsgycdr
Literally (almost) any tech job lol.
Three years ago I said this would happen and a bunch of Redditors said I’d be laughed out an interview with online certs instead of a degree. Now every engineer I know is an autodidact making 6 figs with no student debt
That or trade, I got friends making buku cash working in HVAC.ID: hsgzdk8
What kind of engineering jobs? I'm an engineer and you can't get my job without a degree. Certs are for IT techs. Not engineers.ID: hsgywiq
You might have known that if you had gone to school.ID: hshb8h7
I dont know where this HVAC technicians make alot of momey claim comes from. I live in a major metro and have 2 friends currently doing it. Its one of the worst paying trades.
One friebd barely makes 50k the other in the low 40s. Starting salary is usually 36 to 38k. It takes alot of experience to make it to the upper ranks and even then you wouod be very lucky to make 75k.ID: hsh6wle
Confirmed, same here. No college, sr network engineer for an isp the past 20 years. YouTube, Google, blogs, manuals. That's my school.ID: hsgpby1
uber eats pays $25-$40 per hour. better than most jobs out of college. probably thatID: hsgpqcg
Uber eats can get up to around $17/hr on a good day here. You must have a dense city as apoint of reference.ID: hsh6v6s
Lmao no one is making $40/hr average on uber eats. Maybe during peak in a some cities, but that's not a full day's wage and certainly not universal.
Good. Most people can learn the same shit from Wikipedia/ YouTube for FREEID: hshbp0u
Thought the same thing when I studied inferential statistics using free resources online during summer break. Thought I would breeze through class in the fall. Did not breeze at all.
And we're looking at a solid 2 generations who will be focused on social, rather than scientific majors. As China marches ahead.
Our online inflammatory discourse is definitely not by design. /sID: hsgnsiy
The practice and dissemination of science cannot survive without a cohesive society.ID: hsgodtw
If you read the report, liberal arts enrollment fell the most while computer sciences appear to have fared well (actual increase in 2 year college enrollment)ID: hsgwtbb
We need them in lab science and they can use community college to get the prerequisites cheaply
Republicans intentionally dumbing down the education public school students get in their districts was bound to have an impact eventually.
They currently care more about stopping Critical Race Theory from being taught (even though it's a college level course and has never been taught in K-12,) than they care about the actual education these kids receive.
Waste of money unless you want to do law or medicine .....get out there and get real world experienceID: hsh5ljf
I would hope not just law or medicine. I don't want airplanes designed and built by people who just have a high school diploma.ID: hshc6k1
Even if they watched a YouTube on how to do it?ID: hshdibu
Why not? It's not like school is a magic pill that makes you super human. It's just knowledge that you can get anywhere.