- New Law Will Install Kill Switches In All New Cars
That’s not good.ID: hsh7p9g
Can't wait until someone hacks it and shutdown the highway in L.A. in the middle of August, and since they hard-coded it into hardware there is no fix.ID: hsh5zed
This article needs like 70k more upvotes.ID: hsgusqj
In other news, hackers gain the ability to stop people's cars in isolated areas to target them for crime.ID: hsgz92n
We're not too far from self-driving cars. I would assume that a law enforcement "kill switch" is going to be a lot easier to implement at that point, over an interim system that monitors the human driver's "ability to drive unimpaired". Once we get to self-driving vehicles, then you can bitch about the hackers that are overriding the LEO's pull over mode and escaping in their manually operated vehicles.ID: hsh73rn
Exactly, to many cops are dishonest and the rest abuse their powerID: hshf2c8
I'm thinking now hackers will have leverage for ransomware.
Just another excuse to ride my heelys everywhere.ID: hsh3ub8
Fuck man, when you’ve been on aggregate all day and finally find that smooth groundID: hsh8ipq
Heelys were THE JAM when I worked at JCPenney's in late 90s, early 2000s.
All the cool kids had them. That and Arizona jeans.ID: hsh6d9l
My parents gave mine away to a charity shop without asking me. Not pleased.ID: hshcz9k
This guy fucks!ID: hshgkux
I loved riding around in mine but they made women so wet that I kept hydroplaning.
Why stop there? Let’s go full Minority Report & have the car drive right to jail without any trialID: hsgudh7
Actually the car becomes your jail and automatically locks you in for 6 months.ID: hsgtk49
Also have some AI scan every conversation in the car for “bad speech” and adjust the social credit score accordingly.ID: hsh68we
We can streamline this process by simply applying the killswitch to the driver. A small projectile embedded in the steering wheel or seat cushion to be triggered by law enforcement upon the slightest perceived infraction should do the trick.ID: hsh7zez
Come to Alberta, Canada. They just passed legislation where you are guilty until proven innocent with traffic laws, and you have to pay hundreds of dollars just to fight it.ID: hshfjeh
You joke but that could happen within this decadeID: hshh7mm
The car IS the jail. You live here now for the next 6 months.
Totally normal government doing totally normal things.
Just implant the kill switch in our brainstem and give corporations the keys
And sales of new cars with this "feature" will plummet and used car prices will skyrocket.ID: hsh3plh
Used car prices have already skyrocketed.ID: hshc3w4
I’ve already decided my next car will not be newer than 2024, as law takes effect in 2025.ID: hsh6c8n
This isn’t new. Any car with On-star (GM) has had a kill switch for decades. Just it being mandated by law is new.ID: hsh7pk0
millennials are killing the auto industry
All this new technology in vehicles kinda freaks me out. I'm thankful that i bought my truck during this chip shortage because it's about as advanced as something built 6 years ago. Thats all i need.
i will laugh my ass off when someday some hackers find a way to click that button and hundreds of thousands of cars just stop working on the way home ...
I like the idea of a kill switch in a car — make a serious mistake, or have the car tally-up the number of minor mistakes, and once the threshold is reached, instantly kill the driver.ID: hsgrhfi[removed]ID: hsgq0kk
That'll take a lot of stupid/bad drivers off the road.ID: hsham2o
This is some Corbin Dallas 5th Element type shit.ID: hshfi51
if you don't signal a turn, "bloom.gif" your head instantly explodesID: hshfrb9
Wai-..That’s no-…y’kno-…. ಠ_ಠID: hshgwd1
I can't say I disagree. Better keep your turn signal usage above 80%.
I've seen this one coming for a long time, ever since the idea of driverless cars started becoming a reality. The internet of things is the biggest beast we've unleashed and its gonna intrude into many more aspects of our lives over the coming years and it's super scary. In the case of cars and kill switches, OK the scenario of some villains being stopped in their getaway cars sounds great, but just remember that these tools can be used by people with malicious intent.
EG: All that it's gonna take for an expert hacker to catch you out will be your license plate number, and anyone can just look at your car and note that down. Has Biden ever thought about he and all future presidents, governers, senators, you name it- if he's being driven with his cavalcade who's to say someone can't killswitch him and his security somewhere conveinient and have them all ambushed, killed, held to ransome etc. How about shutting down a competitors supply chain fleets. How about stopping school buses and holding the kids hostage in rural areas? What might seems like a good idea can have many unwanted consequencesID: hshb1g3
Remember, Malcom X and Dr King were unpopular at the time, and the government's enemy. Add some facial recognition to this, and we can easily control what voices are at specific rallies. Don't want a BLM rally? Either identify the leaders and turn their cars off, or find anyone heading to that section of town, and turn their cars off wholesale.ID: hsh1vlz
Amen. This is a super regressive policy. And, it’s wild, because the anti-mask anti-vaxx folks screaming freedom won’t do 1/100th the work to fight this, which is actually incredibly harmful. Sometimes I think I’m too smart and too sensitive for this world. It’s dreadful when you can see everything happening and know where things will go and how bad it could get if certain trigger points occur, yet few people care until it’s far too late to stop. I try to do my part to improve things, but so often I feel like I just wasn’t made to be here.ID: hshct15
Miss a payment? Bet you won’t be able to start the car until the repo man arrives.ID: hsh9t01
I'm still surprised in 2022 that it doesn't require a valid driver's license to start a car.
We have NFC smartcards for everything else, including car keys - why not for licenses.
Republicans will pitch it as a win for law enforcement, Democrats will pitch it as a safety and tech innovation.bipartisanID: hshflkr
Already passed. It was in the infrastructure bill. The car subs have been mad about it for months
It didn't take carjackers long to figure out slapping those Apple Air Tags on someone's ride and tracking them with their own iPhone until they found a quiet and less busy time and place to steal their cars, sometimes even murdering the drivers. Guess the government was getting jealous and wanted that power, too.
Closer to minority report every day
Welp, I guess I’ll never be purchasing a new car.
Now tie the kill switch to your social credit score.
Aww, you need to drive to work? Hope you can bum a ride from a friend that doesn't mind taking a ding to their social credit score for associating with a known troublemaker.
This is what we voted for.Remember, this will all be done under the guise of safety...
"Dont you want drunk people off the road? This will prevent that!" Yes. But it could also let the government or some other organization decide if you should get to drive anytime they want.
Its a slippery slope too... "having a camera in your house can help prevent domestic abuse. You do care about preventing domestic abuse don't you?"ID: hshe0pb
"You will install cameras inside your toilet bowl to check for rectal disease! It's for your own good!"
No one better be able to mess with something I own.ID: hshevs3
Pretty much everything you could have posted that comment with can be messed with remotely.
... and the step after that will be to ban cars without them. If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear, think of the children and so on.
Sure, ‘cause cops are known to never over react.
Well this could be turned into quite the black mirror episode.
Aaaaand…. It will be exploited by the wrong people. -any one with an IQ above who thought this is a good idea.
Why? Because some innocent gets hurt once i a while? Doesn’t seem to matter when schools get shot up.ID: hsh2psc
So very true. Big business and governmental non-accountability are at the heart of this issue. It’s not to serve the people.
Random example: the largest cause of death last year of police K9’s was their partner leaving them in their patrol in blistering heat leading them to die of heat stroke. Any repercussions? Nope. If a regular person kills their dog in the same way, let alone a dog entrusted to them by the work, would face massive consequences. The cops doing so? Never.
Don't buy new cars.
Let the market speak. Once sales dwindle they will reconsider.
It's amazing to me that after a summer of the largest demonstrations thatbthis country has ever seen, all of the calling to limit police power, Congress goes and gives them more.
So? No internet if the car VPN is down ? /s
"This guy looks like a dick, better turn his car off so he don't run away from this beating imma give him!"
Great way for Biden to lose more voters.
Seriously, there's no mention of any remote kill switch capability anywhere in the bill.
So, In This Thread, a bunch of people who didn't read the bill get riled up by folks trying to astroturf some opposition.
I can tell they haven't read and understood bill, as they'd be much more upset at other parts of it if they had.ID: hsh1zo1
Wait. Do you think that hackers are limited by what software is supposed to do?ID: hshfpzv
Tell me how the law requiring a car to stop itself and not operate isn’t a kill switch?
Well, shadowrun is coming to the US then.
The target audience for those won't be driving them cars for another 15 yearsID: hsgurto
Plenty of 45 year olds get done for DUI
p sure every onstar equipped vehicle already can be remote disabled
All the best cars habe already been made. No need to buy a brand new car ever anyway.
“There was never a debate on the House or Senate floor about this issue. Instead, this bill was passed through with many backroom deals”
Why can’t anything good ever be passed that way? Why can’t they pass the BBB that way or voting rights or student debt elimination or universal healthcare or ubi? Apparently this is more important to them.
Fiddles with the cars antenna to disable communication with whatever servers.
There, Crisis averted. Unless you think a “network down” scenario would result in the inability to pilot a vehicle.
Emergency situations would cause that to not be a thing.
Opens trunk and unplugs OnStar module /unplugs it’s littleCoax antenna.
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That seems impaired. Your PC kill switch will activate in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...ID: hsguqf3
"New law will instakill witches in all new cars"
Do we get to choose who to kill or is a random thing?
Considering how long Detroit stalled on air bags, we’ll all have self-driving cars by then.
Running away from stalker, not going to happen. Beep, car shut off.
Lol right after all these riots protesting police brutality? Funny how this has no traction. They’re always watching.
And that's why i drive manual, You kill switch it. I kickstart it.
An ignition switch..?
This is a great idea… as long as the police don’t abuse this feature. And I’m sure they won’t. I’m sure they would never use their power inappropriately.
We live in a dystopia
I'd cheerfully bet that this will be misused by police 99% of the time.
Won't this just create a whole sub-industry around helping people turn the "feature" off, or disconnect it?
TFW your social credit score is too low that your car refuses to let you drive it
ha! like I could ever afford a car or truck new enough for this
This is in the plot of the movie Upgrade
Ah yes, the police in this country have definitely demonstrated over the past few years that they should be trusted with even more power than they currently have.
Do I even need to say /s?
I dont like it of course but come on, in reality are any of us going to be running from the cops?
If i ever plan a heist ill worry about it then
anyone taking this article without a grain of salt needs to learn to evaluate how they consume news mediaID: hshg1eb
You can just read the bill too and see no grains of salt
We should have had this a long time ago. Cops should be able to remotely shut down every car if they flee from a stop. You get once chance to stop and then they can remotely turn it off without any warrants or supervisor permission. The switches should have to be retroactively installed on every current car. And the penalty for removing the switch should be 10 years mandatory prison and permanent loss of license to drive.
There is no state in the US in which resisting arrest is legal.
Most motorbikes have that. And it's located just above the starter button. How often have I accidently hit that switch when aiming for the starter button (ok, thick gloves in fall)...
Sensationalist article, tbh. Dude is really reaching hereID: hshfueq
The law literally requires your car to check if your drunk and turn itself off. Sounds like a kill switch to me
'According to an article written by Bob Barr'. Cool I'm gonna stop reading now.
This sounds like the euthanasia fear mongering around Obama care. Can't find anyone pointing to the actual text of the bill that says this.
A machine that cannot reliably operate, be turned on or off when the owners are in physical contact and at any time they wish or need to use them belongs to the dumpster.
Forget checking a digital central authority for permission to turn on and requiring a response, imagine your car refusing to operate outside predetermined hours (ie after work hours).
Hearts and minds are in the right place. Let's hope brains are too. Stopping drunk drivers, wreckless drivers & ending high speed chases that endanger lives; I'm all for it. Only thing I foresee happening is high profile assassinations. Celebrity or VIP's car "mysteriously" stops in the middle of a kill-nest where snipers "just happen to be loitering moodily".
hidden away in the recently passed infrastructure bill, the very one I warned before would negatively impact drivers across the country
You can always tell you’re reading great, unbiased journalism when the writer refers to themselves in an “I told you so” moment.