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Ukraine dusts off Cold War bunkers in case of Russian invasion many think won’t happen

1 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 13:47:09ID: s26mo6
Ukraine dusts off Cold War bunkers in case of Russian invasion many think won't happen
2 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 14:43:48ID: hscppik

Really weird way to put that headline.

"Beach-goers bring suncream in case of sunshine that many think won't appear."

ID: hscq1i2

Yeah the headline is admitadelty bizarre.

ID: hselha3

Are you invading?

Net am walking dog.

That looks like a tank

Net is big dog.

ID: hsddvi6

Read the article, it's relevant to the second half of the story where they "man on the street" interview local Ukrainians and most say they aren't too worried because Ukraine's army is better then it was in 2014 and various other reasons.

ID: hsgearv

Yes, it seems a little incongruent, but I actually believe this is the ‘least worst’ way it could have been written.

Firstly, headlines are very constrained in how long the can be… the are headlines after all. So there is always important elements that won’t be included.

In this case the easy way to have written the headline would have been ‘Ukraine dusts of Cold War bunkers in case of Russian invasion’. In addition to being shorter it actually would have likely generated more clicks… a hard force to resist in journalism today. It would have made it seems like people think Kyiv is facing immanent bombing, which would have not been consistent with the perception of the people interviewed for the piece.

In this case feel like they took pains to ensure the headline reflected the balance in the article and were actively avoiding click-bait.

ID: hsdjm1w
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3 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 20:37:39ID: hse9f3m

Better to be prepared and not need them, than to need them and not be prepared.

ID: hsfo2wt

“A Wild Boar was sharpening his tusks. A Fox asked why. The Boar said that it would be foolish to not be ready and have to sharpen them when needed”

ID: hseczuj

This

5 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 18:56:33ID: hsdtdd8

I’m confused didn’t it already happen? And don’t they mass 100k troops on the border just about every two years like clockwork?

ID: hsfjcwy

The difference is that they have been setting up actual wartime logistics for these positions. You don't go through the effort of setting up a logistical network if you aren't at least willing to seriously use those soldiers.

ID: hsecwvw

They have until March, and it probably will not happen, that being said there is a probability they will invade if Putin doesn't find a new source of fresh water for Donbas.

6 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 14:08:30ID: hsckwr0

Many think it WILL happen

The best experts say it’s 50-50 at this point

The majority of people I know are worried about it, and no one is dismissive about the threats ceaselessly emanating from the Kremlin

ID: hsd72t3

I'd say it was certainly going to happen until the situation in Kazakhstan gave Putin a much easier way to be a war hero. He's looking for something to distract from the dire domestic situation with the Covid and the economy, external conflicts are useful for that.

ID: hscmom2

Experts yes, but the general population is mostly, nah, wont happen, Russia will just back down because sanctions will crush them. It's the new mindset of it's impossible for bad, world shaking things to happen that has arisen recently or been around forever.

A wounded animal backed in to a corner is a very unpredictable creature.

ID: hse5uza

Which experts are saying that?

ID: hsd7dq0

Are those really best experts? 50/50 is about as good of prediction as you running into a dinosaur on the streets. Might meet one, might not. Same experts point out that Russia already invaded, but then what is the argument. Theese are just very poor guesses of real motivations behind the actions of Russian authorities. Which means one side has no clue what the other is doing or trying to achieve. Which is kinda good because it might lead to a quick resolution, but is also bad, because in this case there is more chance for mistakes on both sides.

7 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 17:24:12ID: hsdeeqx

Read the article people, the title accurately reflects the people they interviewed and isn't a prediction made by CBC or a statement they pulled out of their ass.

8 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 17:01:32ID: hsdar5e

Putin wants the old Soviet stomping grounds back. Of course he's going to invade.

ID: hse92xq

Maybe all Putin really wants just enough Europe so Russia can join NATO too.

9 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 21:31:21ID: hsei92b

I live in Russia and I can say that we definitely have no much strong to invade whoever it be. Less and less people ready to fight for Putin, people don't like him and his policy. Also we no need one more poor region to feed it.

10 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 20:21:01ID: hse6q57

Our oligarchs must be thanking their lucky stars for the Russian army on the border. So many new avenues for embezzling state money have opened up under the pretext of DeFeNcE.

"Our goal is to have shelters for 100 per cent of our population," said Nikolai Budnik, the manager of the city's shelter system, as he gave CBC a tour on Monday of a bunker built in 1986.

Just imagine how much money can be spent on contracts for 3 million of people's worth of "bomb shelter renovation"!

"I am pretty sure that no kind of military escalation will happen from the Russian side," he said.

"Even if Russia invades Ukraine, that will not make any sense in an economical way."

"They depend a lot on this," said Illia Ponomarenko, 29, a defence journalist with the Kyiv Independent, an English-language news site.

"Our enemy is evil but not stupid. They always need their billions in the West. They enjoy the villas in southern France."

And this is the truth of the matter. Any invasion will be suicidal for Russia (and, more importantly from a causal standpoint, for Khuilo's grasp on power), primarily economically and diplomatically, but also militarily, and everyone with even a superficial understanding of the matter (which qualification, alas, excludes most of the commenters in this thread and other similar ones) understands this.

11 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 18:52:34ID: hsdsq7o

Russia and China both want to expand and the only thing keeping them from doing it is the US. At the same time, the US is struggling socially and economically and it's only getting worse.

Odds are we are in the twilight of the Pax Americana, and WW3 is just around the corner.

ID: hsea7al

Yep, why else do they put so much time and money trying to destabilize the US?

ID: hsezajp

Conversely, Russia, China, and to a lesser extent the EU are the only thing preventing USA from couping even more countries.

13 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 15:31:40ID: hscwoxq

Who is this "many"? This seems like Russian propaganda

ID: hsdj78r

If NATO wasnt worried about this situation they wouldnt be negotiating so hard. There have been talks back and forth for months at this point. We'll know before the start of spring what Putins intentions are.

If they're going assault they have to do it soon while the mud is hard.

ID: hsdjm4o

Read the article. The many are the people they interviewed.

ID: hsd1qn6

Oh yes, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is Russian propaganda. Bravo!

14 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 17:58:01ID: hsdjwkh

They keep moving the date. They said they would invade in early December. then said no later than early January. now they are saying anytime between now and 2309

ID: hsdsmm9

Actually, I think the dates have stayed the same, but there were two different reports of two different plans. The first intelligence report had a date for a planned invasion of late January / early February. The second intelligence report was referencing a different plan for a coup and people just assumed an invasion would follow. The reports were not connected, as far as I know.

The second report about the December coup did not turn out to be realised, and the first report about a January invasion has been pretty much forgotten in light of the current talks. But the dates have not been moved, and there is still a very real possibility that Russia will follow its original timeline of a late January / early February invasion after having stalled at the talks for a while.

Personally, I think it’s all up in the air until either 1) the talks actually amount to a joint statement and Russian troops leave the border, or 2) we’re safely in the last quarter of February. If Putin stalls until late February, I don’t think he intends to invade.

Until then, I wouldn’t discount an invasion of some sort, possibly “only” in Donetsk and Luhansk and even then, maybe not outright annexation.

ID: hsduv94

I read somewhere that the reason it keeps getting pushed back is that the winter freeze hasn't come yet. They are waiting for the ground to freeze so their tanks don't get stuck in the mud, but the winter has been mild so far.

15 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 19:19:58ID: hsdx3gs

Without Trump to wield this is Putin trying to put pressure to create a foothold regarding negotiations. There will be no invasion.

16 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 21:34:45ID: hseisyc

Pity they face into the wrong direction.

17 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 00:17:50ID: hsf79r7

In 2015 those bunkers were undusted. After russians started a war here

18 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 00:41:40ID: hsf9zqn

Russia invades The Ukraine and China invades Taiwan. At. The. Same. Time.

19 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 01:18:41ID: hsfeew5

Also could Russia be going for more water access for future generations?......or is it that I don't know shit about this......hmmmm......let's take a guess......:)

20 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 01:46:52ID: hsfi8cy

Maybe kinda sorta definitely probable in the next year or century

21 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 03:08:00ID: hsftdhe

Terrible headline.

But I don't blame Ukraine. Better safe than sorry. I suppose the real question is whether or not these bunkers will actually be worth the cost of renovating them.

22 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 03:50:04ID: hsfytpd

Wonder if it’s just saber rattling to make Ukraine spend money. Long con destabilization?

23 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 17:21:33ID: hsddzb7

The Soviets hands down won the propaganda battle of the cold war. One of the great necessities of that victory was promotion of the idea of moral equivalency. We saw (still see) this applied to the Vietnam conflict. The idea that the US was thwarting the right of the people to choose communism. This is at the root of the idea that war is always unjustified and therefore the defending side equally culpable and defensive actions are aggressive.

ID: hsdgkvq

The south Vietnamese government was about as ‘defending’ as the socialist government in Afghanistan. Both were doomed without constant foreign military pressure propping them up, which raises the question of whether or not the foreign powers had any right to be there in the first place. This has very little to do with Ukrainian defense. There isn’t a mass pro Russian movement within Ukraine that would storm Kiev if the government had no western help. Russia is a foreign aggressor

24 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 19:01:59ID: hsdu8i2

the Russian Military is invincible.. Ukraine should choose to do this peacefully, or else it would be brothers killing brothers

ID: hsdxy3g

Do what peacefully? You do understand that Ukraine had land srolenn from it by Russia? That Russia is the aggressor im things entire situation? That if Russia backed the fuck off, returned Crimea and Donbas, we would not be at risk of "brothers killing brothers"?

ID: hsegp54

This was Germany's message to Austria too.

25 :Anonymous2022/01/12(Wed) 21:21:17ID: hsegl9h

Can the US for once sit this one out? how about Europe do the heavy lifting since it's in their backyard.

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