U.S. officials prepare for escalation as NATO-Russia talks end with no resolution on Ukraine border tension

1 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 20:43:14ID: s396ca
U.S. officials prepare for escalation as NATO-Russia talks end with no resolution on Ukraine border tension
2 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 00:51:21ID: hskc6zj

I'm going to quote Sir Edward Grey who, on the eve of Britain entering WWI, said:

The lamps are going out across Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our lifetime.

That's not say we're driving head-long into WWIII. But if war does break out between the major powers, it'll be the first time since 1950. And even if a ceasefire is called before things really get out of hand, it'll still result in ill-feelings on the "losing" side that will make future conflict all the more difficult to avoid.

ID: hskyqch

Nothing thus far indicates NATO or any other western country is openly getting involved with its own troops to defend Ukraine. However there are very clear statements being made that covert support is going to be given combined with the open sanctions.

ID: hslbgrz

True .. once a war get's started and people start losing their young sons you create a storm of hatred .. after that it is damn hard to stop a war .. even if you halt it halfway the animosity is there and it will only take the smallest spark to light up yet again

.. a warring country with severe losses is often not happy until the other is wiped clean from the Earth or takes everyone down along with them

3 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 23:21:27ID: hsjz4jj

Incoming staged attack inside ukraine that will used as an excuse to invade.

ID: hskncka

Or “random” armed militia taking control and asking Russia to provide support and governance

ID: hskubia

Hopefully those “militia” doesn’t shoot down another commercial airliner… Don’t think Russia ever paid for that F up… brushed under the rug like usual.

4 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 21:39:04ID: hsjj16z

Ex KGB with a chip on his shoulder because of the fall of the USSR.... has already invaded other countries. Yes there are red flags, let's not pretend they don't exist. The pure nature of a dictator is enough of a red flag.... they think they should control the people for their safety, and they believe they are the only human capable of doing it properly... they also wish to impose this on the entire world. Yes, a dictator by nature is a red flag.

ID: hslgk4t

Your post to me shows theTrump stamp.

5 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 20:47:49ID: hsjb661

Hitler made many concessions, promises, agreements etc.

Putin has similar idiosyncrasies. Not saying he's Hitler.

But... "Fail to prepare, Prepare to fail".

NATO/UN etc. Please don't blink.

ID: hslsg2r

Not saying he's Hitler.

No, he's Putler.

ID: hsjbgm0

But yeah he is tho

6 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 21:36:33ID: hsjimlx

I think it’s more likely than not he will declare war at this point. Make it as costly as possible so Russia can’t easily recover from it

ID: hsjpnzl

This is all so unnecessary. How many people are going to have to die over Putin's vision? I feel for Russia's people, too. They don't need a fucking war in the middle of winter when the pandemic is ripping through their country. The positives of war are largely advancements in technology and openness to changes in previously rigid government policies. We shouldn't need to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of citizens, destroy economies and displace people all over the world to allocate funding in different ways.

If Russia needs a warm water port, negotiate one. Fuck his legacy, fuck mass murder and environmental chaos. There's backhandedness and corruption on both sides but surely needs can come before wants with some diplomacy.

There's enough resources for everyone.Can we not all agree on some common goals that help advance our species? And work together on those first?

ID: hskc8ua

If there is a war then it likely won't be costly at all initially as everyone tries to limit it to just Ukraine area to avoid a war where civilian cities are targeted or a nuclear war. It will be an interesting test of NATO discipline because they could easily invade/bomb Russia in other areas, but this risks escalating the conflict a lot, it really just takes one member state going rogue and bombing Russia to do this. Then the next escalation step is nuclear war.

7 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 21:32:22ID: hsjhxu5

NATO, keep strict control on Putin, he is planning something very nasty since the talks with US and NATO have gone wrong.Do not be fooled, Russia is a backstabbing dick.

ID: hsl531x

Russia is a backstabbing dick

I can’t stop picturing this.

9 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 23:23:25ID: hsjzfas

There was a good article about potential Russian attacks coming forward.

Cyber attack with limited troops.
Pincer attack to cut off eastern ukraine.
Or a naval blockade of Ukrainian ports.

10 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 02:34:41ID: hskqklh

Interesting how there is literally no anti-war movement in Russia. Zero. None.

ID: hskspid

Every time someone starts one, they seem to get polinium food poisoning

12 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 05:46:11ID: hsle7om

Jake Sullivan is still the National Security advisor after all his miscalculations regarding Afghanistan? Wow apparently it isn't obvious but people that have more experience going to Yale than they do fighting in combat shouldn't be providing any meaningful insight on whether we should be sending men and women to War. He lied to the President, American people, and the fact he never got fired after all that is incredibly disconcerting. It's like watching a train crash in slow motion, while being unable to stop it. AF 2.0 bout to happen under his watch.

14 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 09:32:56ID: hslxvws

Russia wants nothing less than its empire back. It wants to be able to influence every country that was once a part of the USSR, and more. People seem to forget, maybe it's hard to concentrate over the sound of Russia whining about how it suffered in WW2, that prior go Germany backstabbing Russia by attacking it, the Russians had signed a pact with Germany to split Europe between themselves, so they have always intended to conquer and control these other countries for a long time anyway. Allies? Only kinda. We shared an enemy, but ultimately, there could be no peace between us because Russia doesn't believe in democracy, just autocracy. Russia is a bully. Being a bully, the other nations are inclined to form a collective defense as individually, they are less powerful. Hence the need for Nato and the reason other countries want to join Nato. Russia is its own worst enemy. A bad neighbor created bad feelings, and a good fence is needed due to a bad neighbor. I had positive hope for Russia after the fall of the USSR, and perhaps the West was too arrogant, but Russia had a chance to become a good neighbor, a good country to trade with, a good country to invest in, but instead, a mafia was formed. Kleptocrats, autocrats, gangsters, etc. A dangerous shame. Look at what Russia has become! Mostly a pariah. Life expectancy, way down. Economic outcome, way down. A cornered rat is dangerous, and they have cornered themselves.

15 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 00:38:03ID: hskab41

How are you going to prepare when half of your officials would side with Russia? We are in BIG trouble and Russia knows it.

18 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 02:43:17ID: hskrrdq

Just split it into like y’all did with germany

ID: hsl5cp4

Didn’t that happen with USSR?

19 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 07:41:54ID: hslp0nl

On the literal verge of WWIII unless we just try to crash there economy

20 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 08:37:09ID: hsltiqx

just delay it for couple of months, maybe russians will force putin to step down

ID: hslzlhp

You really believe russian citizens will do that?The majority is either brainwashed or doesnt give a damn, the ones who tried protesting have been jailed tortured or killed.They live under a regime.

21 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 22:54:27ID: hsjuzit

Guys, Nato could not beat a bunch of taliban old men with rifles.Over 40 Nato countries retreated from taliban and America even made a ugly scene when trying to escape afeganistan. Since then. America Chicken, No one is afraid of them anymore. Never support America anymore.

ID: hsk24rq

I dont think Nato is afraid of a gas station. They literally laughed in russias face and left those negotiations.

ID: hsjvgix

Over 40 Nato countries retreated from taliban

Wat? Do they not use arabic numerals in your country?

ID: hsk4jwv

America is garbage. So is Russia.

But comparing Afghanistan to an actual combat situation defending a country really requires some... Special faculties.

23 :Anonymous2022/01/13(Thu) 23:38:24ID: hsk1nov

Nato: anyone can join us.RUSSIA : Where can I sign in.Nato: no you can't we need someone to be the bad guy. Russia :ahhh money money from your people. Nato : shhhhh to say it out loud. RUSSIA : DON'T SHHH ME. Nato:; see.... you are a bad guy.

ID: hsk4e1k

This may be the dumbest and most reductionist take on NATO and Russia I have ever seen.

I kneel for you, my king, for you are clearly worthy the crown of idiots.

ID: hskngou

Ding ding we have the winner of dumbest comment of the year.

Still early in 2022 though I think ones tough to beat

ID: hskuou5

NATO was formed to repel Russia, idiot.