- COVID-Hospitalization Numbers Are as Bad as They Look
My question now is, what kind of preventive things are hospitals going to do next time there is a another outbreak?ID: hslvkml
This isn’t really a thing for hospitals to prevent.
If you want to prevent it you would need the federal and state governments to take action. Which I highly doubt they will. So maybe try to avoid needing a hospital for the next few winters to come.ID: hslvi0v
Complain that their staff are quitting while also refusing to pay them more?ID: hsnj1n5
Society is failing and it’s not the hospitals’s job to fix it. If the general public knew how much less safe it is to get hospital care they would be more angry with antivaxers. I would not be taking any risk right now including traveling. I know of some hospitals here in Oregon that don’t have regular staff anymore just travelers from all over. There is no planning for a society with 40% absolute antisocial morons.ID: hsn5lzq
Absolutely nothing. It wouldn’t be profitable for our overlords.ID: hsmcnx8
What is Congress and Biden going to do in US? Business For Profit and Healthcare dont mix.ID: hsnm2k8
There's nothing they can do. All of the measures need to slow down the spread of this needed to take place at the state and federal level. The main difference between this and the first wave is that the first time around, measures to prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed were actually taken.
Again, tired of the hyperfocus on "with" or "for"
Anyone positive requires certain precautions, full stop.
If a death rate increase (which is happening) + is taking place in those "with" covid in a hospital, and the number correlates/corresponds to excess death, than it doesn't really matter what the primary impression was that landed them in the hospital, the current COVID situation killed that person in some way/shape/form.
Now if excess deaths are low, then you can make the case they are testing everyone and no serious outcomes are happening... but thats not what's happening...ID: hsmipoj
So many people don't get this.
If you lived for five years with a diabetes diagnosis and then you catch COVID and die, you didn't die from diabetes.
May scotus should roll up their sleeves and help since they won’t protect us. A-holesID: hslnqfi
It’s not SCOTUS’ job to “protect us.” There job is to provide rule interpretations.
If you have a problem with the rule then you need to have that rule changed via Congress via your elected officials.
Covid is, and has been from the first, a world war.
Comparable deaths. Comparable wounded. Comparable economic loss. Comparable fog. Comparable mistakes. Comparable heroism. Comparable advances in technology.ID: hsmnjgt
There is absolutely no comparison in terms of economic loss, death, or human hardship. Cities, and all of their industry were bombed into rubble and that infrastructure never returned, and nor did the significance of those cities. In one, a huge percentage of the young male population died, disrupting life for generations, in another, the deaths were primarily cutting short the lives of the elderly (which I would never diminish).
This is why the generational memory of war fading is so alarming for the planet. People have no idea. One economic loss from manufacturing for instance is an unrealized gain, and supply chain inefficiencies. Some segments of society are inconvenienced and stressed. Some can ignore the problem. The other one is every single functioning dock being bombed into rubble, and all their associated warehouses. Its people as little kids evacuating cities and then watching bombers blow up their homes from a distance. Maybe its like the USA's lucky experience of two world war's, but the comparison to anyone living in the areas ravaged by them is disgusting.ID: hsmkhr5
Don’t want to Diminish Covid but deaths, at least compared to WW2 are not really comparable yet.
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Part of my job is sending a report about COVID patients to the county. They recently added admitted with covid vs for covid as a question. It's not easy to differentiate, especially in our patient population. They come in to urgent care with a fever and end up admitted because they're neutropenic. Then we do their admission covid screen and it's positive. Are they febrile because they have covid? Or because that's a common complication of neutropenia? We have some covid patients being kept in the hospital because they have covid and require close follow up for their oncology care. This could normally be handled in an outpatient center, but the infusion center doesn't want a known covid positive patient coming in and out daily. Is that still a covid admission at that point? It's really not black and white.ID: hsl4g82
Yes, it seems there are 3 broad categories as you mentioned. It's the last quote that may be making the US, unfortunately, unusual:
“We have a lot of chronically ill people in the U.S...”ID: hslenwq
That last sentence is all sorts of incorrect lolID: hsl637i
My own hospital can’t answer the question, but it’s hard to determine from these statistics whether the patient has been admitted due to covid, due to an other issue and coincidentally covid positive, or - as I believe - covid exasperating an underlying comorbidity.
It doesn't matter. If you aren't feeling well and go to the hospital for strep throat but then die of covid and pneumonia I think think we can all agree that Covid was the problem. Broke your arm but died of Covid? Car accident but died of covid? You died of covid.
We're an unhealthy country that's not treating the virus seriously so if you weigh 340 lbs and get covid that's a huge problem. Not vaccinated? Decent chance you die since you're obese and stupid.ID: hslvjh2
A lot of those patients admitted "with COVID" or who catch covid end up going on to getting severe COVID and then even die. I've seen a bunch of patients turn positive on day 20 or later of admission awaiting placement to a nursing home or rehabilitation facility who then decompensate with severe COVID and die.ID: hsmauin
good thing nobody pays you to pontificate
+90K hospitalizations in the US since the start of the Omicron wave. About 100K more to go.
Only good news is that cases have peaked in most cities and the following hospitalization peak is around the cornerID: hsmqlrn
How is that good news? Hey the healthcare system is about to collapse but we're half way there! Only need the other half and we're done!
You mean the mild less severe numbers