US to allow teen semi drivers in test apprenticeship program

1 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:03:20ID: s3ufk6
US to allow teen semi drivers in test apprenticeship program
3 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:51:43ID: hsn3gy1

Maybe we shouldn’t have been writing articles for the past decade about how self driving trucks were going to put all truck drivers out of work very soon.

ID: hsne408

Long haul can be automated in 5-10 years, short haul will likely take much longer because of the more complicated routes. A lot of companies are looking at having drivers just ride along with the trucks, so no downtime while the driver sleeps on a long haul as the truck could just wake the driver up if it's getting close to a more complex area of the route.

ID: hsnh0qs

We’ve been hearing 5-10 years for at least 15

ID: hsnhfh2

Would love to see it, but I highly doubt it. Another big autonomous truck startup just went under. Nobody is interested in investing in the safety aspect.

ID: hsni1z7

Long haul can be automated in 5-10 years

Self-driving technology in general won't be safely (or securely) automated within the next 5-10 years, let alone sufficiently enough to allow it to replace truck drivers.

ID: hsnjcjy

Even if we had good working autonomous driving, we aren't going to legally allow the driver to sleep in the car anytime this decade. That has been the source of numerous Tesla crashes. Especially because trucks can do so much more damage than a compact car. Huge liability if a truck company's rig pancakes six cars on the highway.

5 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:20:59ID: hsmyth2

So long they understand that what happened to that truck driver in Colorado could happen to them if they do something stupid like text and drive

ID: hsn6dpu

No, they don't understand. That's why they're being pulled in

ID: hsn6s79

Between that and wanting to be able to pay them less.

ID: hsnaqxe

Smart taking advantage of the naive, amirite pedos?


ID: hsncs0a

Go look at the Humboldt accident - inexperienced driver killed most of a hockey team.

ID: hsn96e3

If the company refuses to maintain the truck remember it's the drivers fault.

ID: hsnai8k

If the driver fails to properly document the wear on and condition of his truck, it's the drivers fault.

ID: hsnaqqp

The drivers fault for still working there. Get out before the liability hits you.

ID: hsnigc8

it's not on the company to do the inspection before a truck ships off and it never has been on purpose.

ID: hsnfsdf

Because adults don't text and drive?

7 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:18:23ID: hsn7lol

We can't exploit enough of your parents, so we're coming for YOU!!

8 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:08:48ID: hsmwzrc

Ya so all those teens texting while driving

ID: hsn8rk0

I see tons of adults texting and driving every day....

ID: hsncyx6

Yeah tbh I see more older adults texting and driving than I do 16-21 year olds. And the amount of older people I see talking on the phone, with the phone to their ear in bumper to bumper traffic is insane. I flat out refuse to answer my phone while driving. If they continue to call back, I’ll pull over and answer.

ID: hsmxrbq

on one hand young drivers do suck

on the otherhand , most other developed nations already let 18 year olds be truckers , as that is the age of majority in most of them where they become full legal adults with all the responsibilities and choices attached to such

ID: hsn27h1

it’s going to rely on the training and monitoring the get, which I do not have faith in. If the trucking companies are the ones paying for the training/monitoring, they are 100% going to cut corners/provide inadequate training in order to save money & then blame accidents on the individual rather than the lack of rigorous training.

ID: hsmxyqp

Our teens are like babies compared to teens in other countries.

9 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:05:44ID: hsn5n64

US Army (with a literal army of 18yo MTOs): what's the rumpus all about?

ID: hsngqap

not sure the army is an example i'd modify policy after

ID: hsnhz18

For sure, not holding any branch as a paragon of accident prevention.. but It's worth remembering that 18yos are asked/expected to do all kinds of stuff and plenty (not all) are capable. Shitheels don't necessarily stop being shitheels on their 21st birthday.

All the valid points about pay and conditions notwithstanding, If you don't start getting the next gen of people into OTR on a shortish timeline, it's potentially a whole other kind of crisis.

10 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:29:20ID: hsn9bdr

Should we pay more? No kids will work for less.

12 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:07:06ID: hsn5upm

I do a lot of driving for work and have already noticed the prevalence of newer truck drivers on the roads - mostly people who still drive like they’re in a small car and do dumb things like change lanes really fast/suddenly, dart in front of other truckers, wait until the last second to respond to a change in the road ahead. It’s scary enough.

ID: hsnis7l

Oh, yeah for sure. I've been ran out of my lane twice already this year by truck drivers suddenly realizing they need to be two lanes over to make their exit.

13 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:28:56ID: hsn00s1

This is such a bad idea...

Sincerely,A professional driver

14 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:18:13ID: hsn7krp

…there were no survivors.

15 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:23:44ID: hsn8g61

I do not want this. Semis on the road are already terrifying. Do we really want teenagers, who don't think rules/death (texting while driving, wearing headphones, etc) apply to them, driving giant murder boxes?

16 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:31:10ID: hsn9llz

Just start the robot trucks, already...

19 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:07:51ID: hsmwujz

Cuz we ran out of drivers 🙁 and teachers and nurses


ID: hsnfzvx

I mean when travel nursing pays triple your regular full-time salary, it’s an easy choice to quit and start taking contracts. I’d rather get paid $120/HR for the same abuse I was taking at $40/HR.

RNs aren’t loyal to a particular hospital if the pay and benefits are better elsewhere. Sucks because the hospitals with the deepest pockets can starve out the rest. Staffing shortages and ethics be damned.

20 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:41:07ID: hsn1uuw

No good... truck driver for 15 years, third generation, left the industry because I was being paid the same 18 an hour for 15 years. A lot of people are going to die...

ID: hsna956

Were you local or OTR at that pay rate?

ID: hsneffo

Local and regional.

21 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:21:17ID: hsmyv5m

*Jim Adler, the Texas Hammer intensifies

All the ambulance chasers are already drawing up their closing arguments. Filling it with words like "millennials" and "TikTokers" and "hashtag semi-charmed life"

24 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:03:42ID: hsn5bsf

This is a terrible idea

26 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:50:57ID: hsn3cmp

The company I joined a few months ago requires me to get a cdl, but after feb 7th you will be require to take a $4k class unless you get your permit before that date

27 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:24:17ID: hsn8j4x

Enjoy your insurance premiums going up to cover the very likely destructive results of this plan...

29 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:27:11ID: hsn8z91

Nope nope nope. Many trucking companies are already taking any driver who can get a CDL including drivers that can’t even be trusted to operate a car safely in public - let alone an 18-wheeler. This will be a disaster.

30 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:30:03ID: hsn9fed

Hard situation. I know a guy that makes $2,000/wk if he works a lot of hours. We're in a LCOL area. His house was about $50,000, on a couple acres. His employer started dropping requirements because they couldn't get people. One guy left the warehouse, took the onramp way too fast and tipped the truck over.

31 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:37:10ID: hsnajcg

This is The Onion, right?

32 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:38:10ID: hsnap0j

God forbid we pay truckers

34 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:55:46ID: hsndgeu

Ahh child labor makings it’s way back… it’s like no one learned anything from 11th grade US history..

35 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:01:22ID: hsnebw2

This has good idea written all over it. /s

39 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:08:43ID: hsn63tw

Just what we need, teen truck drivers

40 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:42:29ID: hsn22h3

i don't see why not most people in California can apply for a commercial driving license at age 18

ID: hsndgxg

I had a class D at 15 - that’s passenger and commercial vehicles up to 13 tons . I probably shouldn’t have even had a license at that age.

41 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:15:13ID: hsn73xl

It's not as bad as the headline suggests. It seems like it's only allowing 18-20 year olds, so pretty much dropping the limit down to 18 from 21. I still hope they require cameras in the trucks so they can potential monitor for texting while driving.

ID: hsngm9f

The article says that their first few hundred hours will be required to be done with an experienced driver in the vehicle. In my opinion, this could be a better system than what currently exists, where as soon as you’re 21 you can just jump unsupervised into a rig. This way, they’ve got supervised time, and hopefully that can lead to better drivers overall.

42 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:50:11ID: hsn38ei

It's bad enough out here with the Super Truckers always racing the clock. Since they put the electronic logging devices in our trucks I've noticed that more drivers are in a hurry. Add in youthful enthusiasm combined with a total lack of experience and I think it'll be a recipe for disaster.

I've been driving OTR for about 11 years now. Sometimes 10 over isn't enough for some drivers. Doesn't matter where they are. They drive the same through a narrow, curvy and bumpy construction zone with concrete barriers on each side I absolutely hate being passed in places like that. Our trucks fill up almost all of the lane. Doesn't leave much room for error.

43 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:10:07ID: hsn6bly

Awesome! Teen semi drivers, what could go wrong?

44 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:14:21ID: hsn6z0a

Aww, the CDL industry about to become the new fast food.

Aside from the obvious tragedy, it's also prime comedy that most CDL drivers I know think that if someone is making minimum wage at an unskilled, inexperienced job, it's what they deserve, and they should go find another job.

But if you can figure out one job, you can figure out another, and the great thing about kids is that they learn quickly they're still in the habit of studying for tests, are comfortable doing a lot of training virtually, and of course we can say they don't really have responsibilities, so we can pay them bottom wage.

So why hire some old codger that's going to cost your business more in health and union benefits when there's all this fresh new blood pumping in for dirt cheap?

Accidents schmaccidents, they don't care, they have insurance, and new kids are graduating every year.

Truck drivers today better think about their burger flipping game that they've been talking down on so long, because that's what they'll be able to compete for.

45 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:29:29ID: hsn9c9c

This is ridiculous, especially after plastering a 23 yr old on the news for mishandling a semi and killing people. He's in jail for 110 yrs.


ID: hsnfh6i

His sentence was reduced to 10 years by the governor.

ID: hsnguj9

We don't all get the stay of execution before midnight. He's lucky that the governor took interest in an already broken system due to PR.

46 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:36:47ID: hsn1712

Jfc… What a terrible idea

47 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:07:45ID: hsn5yer

This is not good. I was an absolute moron until about age 23-24. I would not have trusted myself with such an enormous rig.

48 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:39:27ID: hsn1lko

It's about time that we stopped treating 18 to 20 year olds as second class citizens. The fact that they were previously barred from getting one of the easiest jobs to escape and economically challenged area was complete bullshit.

Now we just need to fix the issue where 18 to 20-year-olds are barred from alcohol, tobacco, firearms, etcetera or stop taxing them.

49 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:03:00ID: hsn57uu

Doing anything at all to not pay drivers better or improve their working conditions, huh.

50 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:03:26ID: hsn5aaa

Yeah get to work kids. You're too young to know you should be paid more.

51 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:09:32ID: hsn6886

Automation would be better instead of using child labour.

52 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:39:41ID: hsnaxnw

Or, here’s a thought, actually raise wages for CDL holders so that more people want to drive.

54 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:05:18ID: hsn5kr2

These farm kids I grew up with can out-drive any regular human. Lots of them running big grain trailers locally since their mid teens. I think there’s a lot of 18-20yo adults who should be able to do this. How you screen the 18-20yo kids who still need to mature and learn some things? I’m not sure.

55 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:42:17ID: hsn21dl

many have been virtually driving for years, I suspect.

57 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:37:31ID: hsnal8w

Teens in 80,000 pound trucks with inadequate brakes. What could possibly go wrong?

58 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:38:13ID: hsnapbb

This seems like pretty much a Non-story honestly. I had to google it and the article even says so:

In a statement, Nick Geale, vice president of workforce safety for the trucking associations, noted 49 states and Washington, D.C., already allow drivers under 21 to drive semis, but they can't pick up a load just across a state line.

It's not like they are lowering the age in anyway (ie: 16 yr olds aren't suddenly getting CDLs so they can drive on the weekends). The change makes sense I think. It's not like this change now means you'll see 18 yr old truck drivers on the highway -- you already were seeing that I bet, since the way to get around most states is via the Interstate highways.

I just feel bad for the truckers that have been in the business for years now. This is just another nail in the coffin for a job that use to pay well. This change will definitely lead to a depression in wages of certain types of trucking jobs.

First you pay well. Then you get immigrants to do it if possible and pay less. Then you try to get young people to do it for even less. And then eventually you get robots to do it for next to nothing.

59 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:39:04ID: hsnau5y

While I am apprehensive about it, I am also in favor of advocating for more trades training for those put of high school rather than pushing them into a college or university if that's not what suits them or their personal long term goals. And I can see this as a very good thing. I grew up in MI and I hear so many stories of the old boys who graduated high school, partied a week, and then went to begin at the auto factory.

It appears as though safety IS a big concern, considering the requirement for ride along truckers, the additional 400 training hours, limited number of applicants, and so forth. The only thing I would add is that, maybe limit this to largely empty road routes to get the experience in a more real-life, but still lower risk environment? I saw that in one earlier thread with a commenter from Canada.

Overall, it's an interesting proposal. And I can definitely see if swinging either way. It's wise to be cautious, but it'll be interesting to see how this pans out over the first 3 year run.

60 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:42:21ID: hsnbcv9

This is going to short circuit the bootstraps crowd. Can't wait to see the per mile rate plummet and them cry about how cheap everything is going to get.

61 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:54:09ID: hsnd7cy

Not sure why everyone thinks adults are any better at driving. Most adult truck drivers now drive like shit. I started driving semi right at 18 and had no issues

62 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 16:57:13ID: hsndofd

Ok good luck with all the fiery multi-car infernos America.

64 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:10:49ID: hsnft8t

Reminds me of another time something like this went poorly.

Project 100,000 (also McNamara's 100,000), also known as McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons and McNamara's Misfits,[1][2] was a controversial 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers who would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating manpower requirements of the American government's involvement in the Vietnam War. According to Hamilton Gregory, author of the book McNamara's Folly: The Use of Low-IQ Troops in the Vietnam War, inductees of the project died at higher rates[1] than other Americans serving in Vietnam and following their service had lower incomes and higher rates of divorce than their non-veteran counterparts. The project was ended in December 1971[3] and has been the subject of controversy, especially during the manpower shortages of the Iraq War.

65 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:12:45ID: hsng4dm

Didn’t they just sentencing an inexperienced driver to a God awful amount of prison time because his mistake cost lives in an accident.

But they want to go and put children behind those same wheels with that same responsibility.

Because of labor shortages aka don’t want to pay

66 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:13:56ID: hsngb8e

How will this even work with school?? I cant read the article im at work

67 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:17:19ID: hsngukg

Highways would be muuuuuch more dangerous

68 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:18:09ID: hsngzcj

Mmm, yes. Very safe idea.

70 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:24:02ID: hsnhx18

Because they’re too fat to work as chimney sweeps?

72 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:28:28ID: hsnimi8

This is a shit show waiting to happen. Here on I-70 in Missouri its already a death trap with trucks, I can't wait to see what this turns into now.

FFS, you don't need god-d Amazon shit so bad you can't wait a few days for it...

73 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:47:26ID: hsn2tal

Child labor, say it like it is

ID: hsn5qys

Those damn 18 year old children

74 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 15:49:37ID: hsn358q

Going back in time pretty much. Back before the 90s you didn't need a CDL to drive a semi. You could just get in one and go with a regular driver's license.

75 :Anonymous2022/01/14(Fri) 17:12:58ID: hsng5kq

Sacrificing safety for capitalism.........noice!