- US to allow teen semi drivers in test apprenticeship program
Maybe we shouldn’t have been writing articles for the past decade about how self driving trucks were going to put all truck drivers out of work very soon.ID: hsne408
Long haul can be automated in 5-10 years, short haul will likely take much longer because of the more complicated routes. A lot of companies are looking at having drivers just ride along with the trucks, so no downtime while the driver sleeps on a long haul as the truck could just wake the driver up if it's getting close to a more complex area of the route.ID: hsnh0qs
We’ve been hearing 5-10 years for at least 15ID: hsnhfh2
Would love to see it, but I highly doubt it. Another big autonomous truck startup just went under. Nobody is interested in investing in the safety aspect.ID: hsni1z7
Long haul can be automated in 5-10 years
Self-driving technology in general won't be safely (or securely) automated within the next 5-10 years, let alone sufficiently enough to allow it to replace truck drivers.ID: hsnjcjy
Even if we had good working autonomous driving, we aren't going to legally allow the driver to sleep in the car anytime this decade. That has been the source of numerous Tesla crashes. Especially because trucks can do so much more damage than a compact car. Huge liability if a truck company's rig pancakes six cars on the highway.
So long they understand that what happened to that truck driver in Colorado could happen to them if they do something stupid like text and driveID: hsn6dpu
No, they don't understand. That's why they're being pulled inID: hsn6s79
Between that and wanting to be able to pay them less.ID: hsnaqxe
Smart taking advantage of the naive, amirite pedos?
Go look at the Humboldt accident - inexperienced driver killed most of a hockey team.ID: hsn96e3
If the company refuses to maintain the truck remember it's the drivers fault.ID: hsnai8k
If the driver fails to properly document the wear on and condition of his truck, it's the drivers fault.ID: hsnaqqp
The drivers fault for still working there. Get out before the liability hits you.ID: hsnigc8
it's not on the company to do the inspection before a truck ships off and it never has been on purpose.ID: hsnfsdf
Because adults don't text and drive?
We can't exploit enough of your parents, so we're coming for YOU!!
Ya so all those teens texting while drivingID: hsn8rk0
I see tons of adults texting and driving every day....ID: hsncyx6
Yeah tbh I see more older adults texting and driving than I do 16-21 year olds. And the amount of older people I see talking on the phone, with the phone to their ear in bumper to bumper traffic is insane. I flat out refuse to answer my phone while driving. If they continue to call back, I’ll pull over and answer.ID: hsmxrbq
on one hand young drivers do suck
on the otherhand , most other developed nations already let 18 year olds be truckers , as that is the age of majority in most of them where they become full legal adults with all the responsibilities and choices attached to suchID: hsn27h1
it’s going to rely on the training and monitoring the get, which I do not have faith in. If the trucking companies are the ones paying for the training/monitoring, they are 100% going to cut corners/provide inadequate training in order to save money & then blame accidents on the individual rather than the lack of rigorous training.ID: hsmxyqp
Our teens are like babies compared to teens in other countries.
US Army (with a literal army of 18yo MTOs): what's the rumpus all about?ID: hsngqap
not sure the army is an example i'd modify policy afterID: hsnhz18
For sure, not holding any branch as a paragon of accident prevention.. but It's worth remembering that 18yos are asked/expected to do all kinds of stuff and plenty (not all) are capable. Shitheels don't necessarily stop being shitheels on their 21st birthday.
All the valid points about pay and conditions notwithstanding, If you don't start getting the next gen of people into OTR on a shortish timeline, it's potentially a whole other kind of crisis.
Should we pay more? No kids will work for less.
I do a lot of driving for work and have already noticed the prevalence of newer truck drivers on the roads - mostly people who still drive like they’re in a small car and do dumb things like change lanes really fast/suddenly, dart in front of other truckers, wait until the last second to respond to a change in the road ahead. It’s scary enough.ID: hsnis7l
Oh, yeah for sure. I've been ran out of my lane twice already this year by truck drivers suddenly realizing they need to be two lanes over to make their exit.
This is such a bad idea...
Sincerely,A professional driver
…there were no survivors.
I do not want this. Semis on the road are already terrifying. Do we really want teenagers, who don't think rules/death (texting while driving, wearing headphones, etc) apply to them, driving giant murder boxes?
Just start the robot trucks, already...
Cuz we ran out of drivers 🙁 and teachers and nurses
I mean when travel nursing pays triple your regular full-time salary, it’s an easy choice to quit and start taking contracts. I’d rather get paid $120/HR for the same abuse I was taking at $40/HR.
RNs aren’t loyal to a particular hospital if the pay and benefits are better elsewhere. Sucks because the hospitals with the deepest pockets can starve out the rest. Staffing shortages and ethics be damned.
No good... truck driver for 15 years, third generation, left the industry because I was being paid the same 18 an hour for 15 years. A lot of people are going to die...ID: hsna956
Were you local or OTR at that pay rate?ID: hsneffo
Local and regional.
*Jim Adler, the Texas Hammer intensifies
All the ambulance chasers are already drawing up their closing arguments. Filling it with words like "millennials" and "TikTokers" and "hashtag semi-charmed life"
This is a terrible idea
The company I joined a few months ago requires me to get a cdl, but after feb 7th you will be require to take a $4k class unless you get your permit before that date
Enjoy your insurance premiums going up to cover the very likely destructive results of this plan...
Nope nope nope. Many trucking companies are already taking any driver who can get a CDL including drivers that can’t even be trusted to operate a car safely in public - let alone an 18-wheeler. This will be a disaster.
Hard situation. I know a guy that makes $2,000/wk if he works a lot of hours. We're in a LCOL area. His house was about $50,000, on a couple acres. His employer started dropping requirements because they couldn't get people. One guy left the warehouse, took the onramp way too fast and tipped the truck over.
This is The Onion, right?
God forbid we pay truckers
Ahh child labor makings it’s way back… it’s like no one learned anything from 11th grade US history..
This has good idea written all over it. /s
Just what we need, teen truck drivers
i don't see why not most people in California can apply for a commercial driving license at age 18ID: hsndgxg
I had a class D at 15 - that’s passenger and commercial vehicles up to 13 tons . I probably shouldn’t have even had a license at that age.
It's not as bad as the headline suggests. It seems like it's only allowing 18-20 year olds, so pretty much dropping the limit down to 18 from 21. I still hope they require cameras in the trucks so they can potential monitor for texting while driving.ID: hsngm9f
The article says that their first few hundred hours will be required to be done with an experienced driver in the vehicle. In my opinion, this could be a better system than what currently exists, where as soon as you’re 21 you can just jump unsupervised into a rig. This way, they’ve got supervised time, and hopefully that can lead to better drivers overall.
It's bad enough out here with the Super Truckers always racing the clock. Since they put the electronic logging devices in our trucks I've noticed that more drivers are in a hurry. Add in youthful enthusiasm combined with a total lack of experience and I think it'll be a recipe for disaster.
I've been driving OTR for about 11 years now. Sometimes 10 over isn't enough for some drivers. Doesn't matter where they are. They drive the same through a narrow, curvy and bumpy construction zone with concrete barriers on each side I absolutely hate being passed in places like that. Our trucks fill up almost all of the lane. Doesn't leave much room for error.
Awesome! Teen semi drivers, what could go wrong?
Aww, the CDL industry about to become the new fast food.
Aside from the obvious tragedy, it's also prime comedy that most CDL drivers I know think that if someone is making minimum wage at an unskilled, inexperienced job, it's what they deserve, and they should go find another job.
But if you can figure out one job, you can figure out another, and the great thing about kids is that they learn quickly they're still in the habit of studying for tests, are comfortable doing a lot of training virtually, and of course we can say they don't really have responsibilities, so we can pay them bottom wage.
So why hire some old codger that's going to cost your business more in health and union benefits when there's all this fresh new blood pumping in for dirt cheap?
Accidents schmaccidents, they don't care, they have insurance, and new kids are graduating every year.
Truck drivers today better think about their burger flipping game that they've been talking down on so long, because that's what they'll be able to compete for.
This is ridiculous, especially after plastering a 23 yr old on the news for mishandling a semi and killing people. He's in jail for 110 yrs.
JOIN UP TEENAGERS! DRIVE A RIG!!ID: hsnfh6i
His sentence was reduced to 10 years by the governor.ID: hsnguj9
We don't all get the stay of execution before midnight. He's lucky that the governor took interest in an already broken system due to PR.
Jfc… What a terrible idea
This is not good. I was an absolute moron until about age 23-24. I would not have trusted myself with such an enormous rig.
It's about time that we stopped treating 18 to 20 year olds as second class citizens. The fact that they were previously barred from getting one of the easiest jobs to escape and economically challenged area was complete bullshit.
Now we just need to fix the issue where 18 to 20-year-olds are barred from alcohol, tobacco, firearms, etcetera or stop taxing them.
Doing anything at all to not pay drivers better or improve their working conditions, huh.
Yeah get to work kids. You're too young to know you should be paid more.
Automation would be better instead of using child labour.
Or, here’s a thought, actually raise wages for CDL holders so that more people want to drive.
These farm kids I grew up with can out-drive any regular human. Lots of them running big grain trailers locally since their mid teens. I think there’s a lot of 18-20yo adults who should be able to do this. How you screen the 18-20yo kids who still need to mature and learn some things? I’m not sure.
many have been virtually driving for years, I suspect.
Teens in 80,000 pound trucks with inadequate brakes. What could possibly go wrong?
This seems like pretty much a Non-story honestly. I had to google it and the article even says so:
In a statement, Nick Geale, vice president of workforce safety for the trucking associations, noted 49 states and Washington, D.C., already allow drivers under 21 to drive semis, but they can't pick up a load just across a state line.
It's not like they are lowering the age in anyway (ie: 16 yr olds aren't suddenly getting CDLs so they can drive on the weekends). The change makes sense I think. It's not like this change now means you'll see 18 yr old truck drivers on the highway -- you already were seeing that I bet, since the way to get around most states is via the Interstate highways.
I just feel bad for the truckers that have been in the business for years now. This is just another nail in the coffin for a job that use to pay well. This change will definitely lead to a depression in wages of certain types of trucking jobs.
First you pay well. Then you get immigrants to do it if possible and pay less. Then you try to get young people to do it for even less. And then eventually you get robots to do it for next to nothing.
While I am apprehensive about it, I am also in favor of advocating for more trades training for those put of high school rather than pushing them into a college or university if that's not what suits them or their personal long term goals. And I can see this as a very good thing. I grew up in MI and I hear so many stories of the old boys who graduated high school, partied a week, and then went to begin at the auto factory.
It appears as though safety IS a big concern, considering the requirement for ride along truckers, the additional 400 training hours, limited number of applicants, and so forth. The only thing I would add is that, maybe limit this to largely empty road routes to get the experience in a more real-life, but still lower risk environment? I saw that in one earlier thread with a commenter from Canada.
Overall, it's an interesting proposal. And I can definitely see if swinging either way. It's wise to be cautious, but it'll be interesting to see how this pans out over the first 3 year run.
This is going to short circuit the bootstraps crowd. Can't wait to see the per mile rate plummet and them cry about how cheap everything is going to get.
Not sure why everyone thinks adults are any better at driving. Most adult truck drivers now drive like shit. I started driving semi right at 18 and had no issues
Ok good luck with all the fiery multi-car infernos America.
Reminds me of another time something like this went poorly.
Project 100,000 (also McNamara's 100,000), also known as McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons and McNamara's Misfits, was a controversial 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers who would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating manpower requirements of the American government's involvement in the Vietnam War. According to Hamilton Gregory, author of the book McNamara's Folly: The Use of Low-IQ Troops in the Vietnam War, inductees of the project died at higher rates than other Americans serving in Vietnam and following their service had lower incomes and higher rates of divorce than their non-veteran counterparts. The project was ended in December 1971 and has been the subject of controversy, especially during the manpower shortages of the Iraq War.
Didn’t they just sentencing an inexperienced driver to a God awful amount of prison time because his mistake cost lives in an accident.
But they want to go and put children behind those same wheels with that same responsibility.
Because of labor shortages aka don’t want to pay
How will this even work with school?? I cant read the article im at work
Highways would be muuuuuch more dangerous
Mmm, yes. Very safe idea.
Because they’re too fat to work as chimney sweeps?
This is a shit show waiting to happen. Here on I-70 in Missouri its already a death trap with trucks, I can't wait to see what this turns into now.
FFS, you don't need god-d Amazon shit so bad you can't wait a few days for it...
Child labor, say it like it isID: hsn5qys
Those damn 18 year old children
Going back in time pretty much. Back before the 90s you didn't need a CDL to drive a semi. You could just get in one and go with a regular driver's license.
Sacrificing safety for capitalism.........noice!